Online Safety Bill Etc - Page 100

**Chris** · 24-10-2025, 23:11

In theory, the final sanction is that all UK ISPs are ordered to block access to those services. Which is a politically impossible move to make, and that above everything else exposes the utter absurdity of an individual jurisdiction trying to go after a multinational corporation that only exists online.

Sirius · Yesterday, 00:37

In simple terms nothing will happen, even if isps are told to block it you will still be able to access them via a vpn. It will just make even more users install a vpn.

RichardCoulter · Yesterday, 01:37

I thought that the UK had adopted all EU legislation en masse??

Either way, if meta have breached the EU version of the Online Safety Act (OSA), it's likely that they will be in breach of the UK, the various American states and other countries who have their own versions of the OSA in place.

I'm sure that Ofcom will be keeping an eye on the outcome of this case.

Carth · Yesterday, 03:14

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I thought that the UK had adopted all EU legislation en masse??

Either way, if meta have breached the EU version of the Online Safety Act (OSA), it's likely that they will be in breach of the UK, the various American states and other countries who have their own versions of the OSA in place.

I'm sure that Ofcom will be keeping an eye on the outcome of this case.

If so, that'll be the eye with the eye patch

**Paul** · Yesterday, 05:20

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Originally Posted by Chris

In theory, the final sanction is that all UK ISPs are ordered to block access to those services.

Blocking orders in the UK only seem to apply to what they call the "Big 5" ISPs **.
For example, I have access to all torrent sites blocked by UK court orders, as I'm not with any of them.

Plus of course, people will simply use VPNs and/or proxy servers, as they do now.

** BT, Sky, Virgin Media, TalkTalk, and EE (AFAIK).

nffc · Yesterday, 11:59

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I thought that the UK had adopted all EU legislation en masse??

Either way, if meta have breached the EU version of the Online Safety Act (OSA), it's likely that they will be in breach of the UK, the various American states and other countries who have their own versions of the OSA in place.

I'm sure that Ofcom will be keeping an eye on the outcome of this case.

EU Law could never be automatically bound into UK law but there was always basically an agreement that it would, after Brexit any existing EU legislation was either converted into UK law or repealed. Anything they do now simply doesn't apply unless our Parliament could do the same.

Even when we were in the EU only the UK parliament could make laws.

Hom3r · Yesterday, 18:00

This prove my age is beyond a joke, XBL is the latest I've been there since 2006 and pay for access by a credit card.

Yet will OFCOM allow me a 56 year old to watch 18+ stuff anytime I want NO

jem · Yesterday, 18:36

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

This prove my age is beyond a joke, XBL is the latest I've been there since 2006 and pay for access by a credit card.

Yet will OFCOM allow me a 56 year old to watch 18+ stuff anytime I want NO

XBL? Is that X-box Live?

But anyway, this is one of the ‘unintended consequences' of the OSA, it is so vaguely worded ‘highly effective age assurance’, what does that mean? so companies will simply take the path of least resistance, play safe and legally cover themselves - because they can’t trust Courts to exonerate them if they use ‘common sense’ - ie you are using a credit card, which can only be issued to people at least 18 years old, therefore you must be......

**Paul** · Yesterday, 19:19

The OSA allows owning a CC to be used as verification.

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Credit card verification: A credit card is one such measure because, in the UK, you must be at least 18 to get one.

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Platforms are required to use secure methods like facial scans, photo ID and credit cards checks to verify the age of their users.

RichardCoulter · Yesterday, 22:19

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Originally Posted by jem

XBL? Is that X-box Live?

But anyway, this is one of the ‘unintended consequences' of the OSA, it is so vaguely worded ‘highly effective age assurance’, what does that mean? so companies will simply take the path of least resistance, play safe and legally cover themselves - because they can’t trust Courts to exonerate them if they use ‘common sense’ - ie you are using a credit card, which can only be issued to people at least 18 years old, therefore you must be......

They said that it's been deliberately created like this to be flexible and easily updateable in the fast changing world of technology.

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Originally Posted by Paul

The OSA allows owning a CC to be used as verification.

Yes, as one of my carers was going to buy a Stanley Knife using his credit card, I don't understand why Amazon refused to sell it to him because they couldn't verify his age!

Edit: Maybe they are afraid that someone under 18 will use a stolen or borrowed credit card to buy a knife??

**Chris** · Today, 10:41

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

They said that it's been deliberately created like this to be flexible and easily updateable in the fast changing world of technology.

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Yes, as one of my carers was going to buy a Stanley Knife using his credit card, I don't understand why Amazon refused to sell it to him because they couldn't verify his age!

Edit: Maybe they are afraid that someone under 18 will use a stolen or borrowed credit card to buy a knife??

If your parents have logged you into Prime TV on your laptop, you have the very same username and password as is used to access the Amazon online shop, wherein is saved your parents credit card details. Though to be honest as long as you can unlock their phone you can use the App without any further ID check, so long as the app is permanently logged in, which it tends to be.

They require couriers to do doorstep age verification for alcohol purchases though (with the package to be personally handed to addressee only, on satisfactory production of ID) so I don’t know why they wouldn’t do that with a knife.

**Hugh** · Today, 10:59

On the Amazon UK page for a Stanley Knife

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Safety and product resources

This product is not for sale to people under the age of 18 and will require an online age verification check. To confirm the recipient is over 18, valid photographic ID with a date of birth may also be required upon delivery. The driver will input your year of birth into their device and may then require an ID check to complete the age verification process. The driver will not be able to access your information once the delivery is complete.

It allowed me to put one in the basket with no further checks…

**Chris** · Today, 11:27

Worth adding that on the odd occasion I’ve received alcohol at the door I have always been ID’d - they don’t do ‘Challenge 25’ as the supermarkets tend to, they take your year of birth from a piece of photo-ID no matter how old you look.

Stephen · Today, 12:05

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Originally Posted by Hugh

On the Amazon UK page for a Stanley Knife

It allowed me to put one in the basket with no further checks…

Well obviously. The checks are done at point of delivery.

**Hugh** · Today, 12:21

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Well obviously. The checks are done at point of delivery.

From above…

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Yes, as one of my carers was going to buy a Stanley Knife using his credit card, I don't understand why Amazon refused to sell it to him because they couldn't verify his age!

It was in reference to that…