Britain outside the EU

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Carth

It certainly wasn't Brexit that caused Covid to be the shitstorm of the century, no amount of extra paperwork, custom control or different passports stopped that decimating the UK (and Europe).

Covid was the big crunch in 'homeworking' which led to office closures and empty city centers, the same city centers devoid of customers for the entertainment, hotels, and food/drink industry. We still haven't fully recovered from that, and many of those jobs that were lost aren't coming back because Covid caused such a massive change in lifestyles (as did the smoking ban).

How many small businesses went bust because they couldn't work during Covid, and how many of the larger ones still haven't paid back those 'Covid loans'. Lots of potential wiped out in a couple of years, and would have happened whether we were IN or OUT.

…. And that just proves how useless governments are. I remember there was a debate within government on herd immunity but in the early days of Covid, they didn’t know what they were dealing with in the absence of a vaccine. So they settled on lockdown. OK - fair enough and be wiser for next time.

But the consequences of lockdown were foreseeable yet no measures were enacted to mitigate what would become the work from home craze. The effect on city centres, the businesses that would be affected and so on.

It needed strengthening of employers’ powers to force people back into the office. But then, and not without reason, people were saving hundreds even thousands on commuting costs. So, if work from home was to work, employers would need rights to enforce productivity measures.

And so on. Now we are Broken Britain.

[Carth]

. . and now we're into the fabulous Net Zero fixation and it's impacts on UK industry.

Steelworks and Oil Refineries are the biggies, but lets not forget all the smaller places where energy costs are crippling them into closure.

and:

Please ensure you don't leave electrical appliances on standby overnight and use water sparingly (while we commit to another 15 Data Centers)

We are proud to announce that AI has replaced another 42,817 jobs

Electric cars are the future, if you can't afford them you can use public transport (when not striking)

We need to become a cashless society because it's more secure and safer than getting your wallet/purse stolen . . oh really?

We need immigration to fill all the jobs (that we're in the process of getting rid of)

The only things growing in the UK are the 'Black Hole', Cutbacks, Depression and Disbelief.


. . . I'm off to buy another couple of bottles of Brandy

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Carth

<SNIP>

The only things growing in the UK are the 'Black Hole', Cutbacks, Depression and Disbelief.


<SNIP>

Don't forget the you-know-whats. Coming straight from the EU.

Originally Posted by Carth

. . and now we're into the fabulous Net Zero fixation and it's impacts on UK industry.

Steelworks and Oil Refineries are the biggies, but lets not forget all the smaller places where energy costs are crippling them into closure.

and:

Please ensure you don't leave electrical appliances on standby overnight and use water sparingly (while we commit to another 15 Data Centers)

We are proud to announce that AI has replaced another 42,817 jobs

Electric cars are the future, if you can't afford them you can use public transport (when not striking)

We need to become a cashless society because it's more secure and safer than getting your wallet/purse stolen . . oh really?

We need immigration to fill all the jobs (that we're in the process of getting rid of)

The only things growing in the UK are the 'Black Hole', Cutbacks, Depression and Disbelief.


. . . I'm off to buy another couple of bottles of Brandy

I would say you shouldn't drink when you're that miserable, but what the hell - go for it!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

…. And that just proves how useless governments are. I remember there was a debate within government on herd immunity but in the early days of Covid, they didn’t know what they were dealing with in the absence of a vaccine. So they settled on lockdown. OK - fair enough and be wiser for next time.

But the consequences of lockdown were foreseeable yet no measures were enacted to mitigate what would become the work from home craze. The effect on city centres, the businesses that would be affected and so on.

It needed strengthening of employers’ powers to force people back into the office. But then, and not without reason, people were saving hundreds even thousands on commuting costs. So, if work from home was to work, employers would need rights to enforce productivity measures.

And so on. Now we are Broken Britain.

Emp[oyers didn't need any more powers. Contracts of employment state a work address and those employers who wanted staff back could easily enforce the contracts. Equally, staff who wanted to work from home are free to find another job where they can do so.

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Originally Posted by Carth

. . and now we're into the fabulous Net Zero fixation and it's impacts on UK industry.

Steelworks and Oil Refineries are the biggies, but lets not forget all the smaller places where energy costs are crippling them into closure.

and:

Please ensure you don't leave electrical appliances on standby overnight and use water sparingly (while we commit to another 15 Data Centers)

We are proud to announce that AI has replaced another 42,817 jobs

Electric cars are the future, if you can't afford them you can use public transport (when not striking)

We need to become a cashless society because it's more secure and safer than getting your wallet/purse stolen . . oh really?

We need immigration to fill all the jobs (that we're in the process of getting rid of)

The only things growing in the UK are the 'Black Hole', Cutbacks, Depression and Disbelief.


. . . I'm off to buy another couple of bottles of Brandy

Sorry, I can't attend your next uplifting party.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by vincerooney

so its the governments faults even though the rest of us said this would happen. that Brexit would fail and would cost us dearly. we told you this would happen.

it happened.

now instead of saying "you lot were right" its "well it would have worked but it was the government who got it wrong"

How do you know that? You don't. Like you didnt know brexit would be a success but you still voted for it and gambled our countries future. Seems to just be a continuing attempt at denial by everyone involved in brexit tbh.

Of course I know! The EU inspired legislation is still there. The Working Time Regulations, the GDPR, TUPE, all the stuff that has brought business to its needs. Illegal immigration is out of control because the government failed to do what was necessary about the ECHR, which is preventing deportations. And so on. All this is the fault of government malaise and disinterest, not of Brexit.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Sorry, I can't attend your next uplifting party.

No worries Andrew, I'll just ring and inform the caterers that there's now no need to cut the crusts off the sandwiches, or indeed cut them into triangles.

It's a shame you'll also miss out on the excellent pork pies, made with genuine pork no less, but sadly imported from countries where farmers breed pigs on land not designated for solar farms.

Originally Posted by Carth

No worries Andrew, I'll just ring and inform the caterers that there's now no need to cut the crusts off the sandwiches, or indeed cut them into triangles.

It's a shame you'll also miss out on the excellent pork pies, made with genuine pork no less, but sadly imported from countries where farmers breed pigs on land not designated for solar farms.

https://www.justfarmers.org/farmers/...edbd9c9a88103c

Patrick rears pigs, but to make ends meet he also farms 225 acres (91 hectares) growing wheat, barley, grass for hay, and industrial hemp for oil and gluten-free flour.

The two sides of the business help each other. The pig muck, for instance, reduces the need to use synthetic fertilisers on the crops. And the straw from the wheat, barley and hemp provides useful pig bedding...

… By the time Patrick took on the family farm in late 1990s he could see it couldn't survive on pigs alone, so he started to diversify. He used 46 acres (19 hectares) of his land to set up a 10.9 megawatt solar park. He now also makes an income from renting the grazing among the 43,000 solar panels to a local sheep farmer.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Of course I know! The EU inspired legislation is still there. The Working Time Regulations, the GDPR, TUPE, all the stuff that has brought business to its needs. Illegal immigration is out of control because the government failed to do what was necessary about the ECHR, which is preventing deportations. And so on. All this is the fault of government malaise and disinterest, not of Brexit.

<cough cough>

https://collegegreengroup.com/blogs/...ation-problem/

the actual impact of the ECHR on deportations may be overstated.

Since 1980, the European Court has halted just 13 deportations, and only 29 UK cases heard at Strasbourg have concerned deportation or extradition

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by vincerooney

so its the governments faults even though the rest of us said this would happen. that Brexit would fail and would cost us dearly. we told you this would happen.

it happened.

now instead of saying "you lot were right" its "well it would have worked but it was the government who got it wrong"

How do you know that? You don't. Like you didnt know brexit would be a success but you still voted for it and gambled our countries future. Seems to just be a continuing attempt at denial by everyone involved in brexit tbh.

Spot on Vince!

I'm afraid Old Boy still deludes himself that we can suddenly strip away all of the laws of the country and we'll apparently still function and be able to trade with the rest of the world! He fell for the sales pitch and is still drinking the snake oil by the pint glass!

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Spot on Vince!

I'm afraid Old Boy still deludes himself that we can suddenly strip away all of the laws of the country and we'll apparently still function and be able to trade with the rest of the world! He fell for the sales pitch and is still drinking the snake oil by the pint glass!

No, just the EU inspired laws, replacing them with more appropriate and less bureaucratic laws.

As a remainer, you simply don’t or won’t understand why Brexit hasn’t worked. It’s certainly not for the reasons you think.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.justfarmers.org/farmers/...edbd9c9a88103c


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<cough cough>

https://collegegreengroup.com/blogs/...ation-problem/

‘ the actual impact of the ECHR on deportations may be overstated.

Since 1980, the European Court has halted just 13 deportations, and only 29 UK cases heard at Strasbourg have concerned deportation or extradition’

How many cases do you need to halt the deportations? You simply cannot ignore the precedents set by these rulings, which then encourage more appeals.

You can deny it as much as you like,but by abolishing the ECHR (or by limiting its application within the UK) it will be possible to deport arrivals very quickly without any right of appeal.

We need to change the law so that anyone arriving without documentation is removed immediately, whether claiming asylum or not. We should decide who enters this country and which cases merit asylum as we have done in the past. We have welcomed people from Hong Kong, Ukraine and so on, but no case has been made for accepting people from Africa, and that’s nothing to do with race - they are economic migrants. We happily accepted Ugandan Asians when Idi Amin was on the rampage.

You said

the ECHR, which is preventing deportations

I showed the fact that since 1980, the EHCR has prevented 13 Deportations.

How will getting rid of something that has only prevented 1 deportation every 3 and 1/2 years, and heard only 29 cases from the UK (1 every year and a half on average), make it easier to deport people.

Show your workings…

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, just the EU inspired laws, replacing them with more appropriate and less bureaucratic laws.

As a remainer, you simply don’t or won’t understand why Brexit hasn’t worked. It’s certainly not for the reasons you think.

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‘ the actual impact of the ECHR on deportations may be overstated.

Since 1980, the European Court has halted just 13 deportations, and only 29 UK cases heard at Strasbourg have concerned deportation or extradition’

How many cases do you need to halt the deportations? You simply cannot ignore the precedents set by these rulings, which then encourage more appeals.

You can deny it as much as you like,but by abolishing the ECHR (or by limiting its application within the UK) it will be possible to deport arrivals very quickly without any right of appeal.

We need to change the law so that anyone arriving without documentation is removed immediately, whether claiming asylum or not. We should decide who enters this country and which cases merit asylum as we have done in the past. We have welcomed people from Hong Kong, Ukraine and so on, but no case has been made for accepting people from Africa, and that’s nothing to do with race - they are economic migrants. We happily accepted Ugandan Asians when Idi Amin was on the rampage.

The Tories had laws to enable immediate deportation, though the ECHR still needed final defeat.

But to where should the person be deported? The Rwanda type scheme sorts out the ‘whete’ issue but it needs to be at scale. The immigrants know this can’t be achieved. So pushing the boats back is the only answer - as in deporting them to France before the need deporting.

We are outside the EU andvwe must protect our borders without worrying about France. And sod the EU.