Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
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Yes really.
Israel don't feel 'safe' with Hamas on their doorstep
Russia don't feel 'secure' with NATO on their doorstep.
In both scenarios there was (is) a lot of slapping each other but nobody getting anywhere fast.
The 'good guys' are just as complicit as the 'bad guys' in both scenarios.
The Israel conflict has now been ended (for now), and the Ukraine conflict (which hasn't been sorted in two weeks as advertised) will eventually end . . . and again how long will it last.
Both have cost many lives, caused enormous structural damage, and don't even think about the finances involved (although some will obviously be making yet another fortune)
Same shit, different continent
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15-10-2025, 16:01
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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
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Yes really.
Israel don't feel 'safe' with Hamas on their doorstep
Russia don't feel 'secure' with NATO on their doorstep.
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So, Israel doesn't feel safe with Hamas on its doorstep so attacks attacks the state with Hamas in it, Gaza. That bit I get.
Russia doesn't feel safe with NATO on its doorstep in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. So it attacks a country without NATO in it, Ukraine.
Make this make sense. 
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15-10-2025, 16:39
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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
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So, Israel doesn't feel safe with Hamas on its doorstep so attacks attacks the state with Hamas in it, Gaza. That bit I get.
Russia doesn't feel safe with NATO on its doorstep in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. So it attacks a country without NATO in it, Ukraine.
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If the axiom is about feeling safe as a country, then your hypothesis on Russia seems to me to be flawed.
Russia doesn't feel unsafe at all - at least not in the sense of what Hams/Hezbollah have done to Israel.
Russia's beef is most likely to be geopolitical. They've got Crimea and want as much control over the Black Sea as possible plus the mineral rich Donbas. And so what if Ukraine did join NATO? NATO would push the button? Russia wouldn't as it would be counterproductive.
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15-10-2025, 16:49
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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
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If the axiom is about feeling safe as a country, then your hypothesis on Russia seems to me to be flawed.
Russia doesn't feel unsafe at all - at least not in the sense of what Hams/Hezbollah have done to Israel.
Russia's beef is most likely to be geopolitical. They've got Crimea and want as much control over the Black Sea as possible plus the mineral rich Donbas. And so what if Ukraine did join NATO? NATO would push the button? Russia wouldn't as it would be counterproductive.
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It's Carth's hypothesis not mine - see his post at 13.16.
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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
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It's Carth's hypothesis not mine - see his post at 13.16.
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oh yeah, that's it, just blame the old guy . . . that's ageism that is  
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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
modern society!
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Aston Villa can confirm the club has been informed that no away fans may attend the UEFA Europa League match with Maccabi Tel Aviv on Thursday, November 6, following an instruction from the Safety Advisory Group.
The Safety Advisory Group (SAG) are responsible for issuing safety certificates for every match at Villa Park, based on a number of physical and safety factors.
Following a meeting this afternoon, the SAG have formally written to the club and UEFA to advise no away fans will be permitted to attend Villa Park for this fixture.
West Midlands Police have advised the SAG that they have public safety concerns outside the stadium bowl and the ability to deal with any potential protests on the night.
The club are in continuous dialogue with Maccabi Tel Aviv and the local authorities throughout this ongoing process, with the safety of supporters attending the match and the safety of local residents at the forefront of any decision.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/oct...cabi-tel-aviv/
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Maccabi Tel Aviv fans will not be able to attend their side's Europa League match with Aston Villa because of safety concerns, it has been announced.
West Midlands Police said the decision was based partly on what happened in Amsterdam last year, when Maccabi Tel Aviv fans attending a match against Ajax were targets of antisemitic attacks.
Dozens of people were arrested and Dutch Prime Minister Dick Schoof said assaults "against Israelis and Jews are nothing short of shocking and reprehensible".
The Jewish Leadership Council, which works to protect British Jews, slammed the decision to stop Israeli fans from travelling to Birmingham.
https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-t...cerns-13451240
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Aston Villa’s Europa League match against Maccabi Tel Aviv next month is set to be played without any away fans of the Israeli club at the game.
West Midlands Police has advised Birmingham’s Safety Advisory Group (SAG) to hold the match at Villa Park on November 6 without away supporters due to safety concerns around the fixture, sources have told The Times.
It would be unprecedented for the SAG not to follow police advice, and Uefa will implement a ban on away fans on the basis of a decision by the local authorities.
A number of threats have been made around the match, which are understood to have been taken seriously by police.
About 120 travelling fans attended Maccabi Tel Aviv’s Europa League match against the Greek side PAOK on September 24, amid heavy police protection, with pro-Palestinian protests taking place outside the ground in Thessaloniki. They are the only Israeli side in European club competition this season.
There were also protests when Israel’s national team played in Norway and Italy this week in World Cup qualifiers.
The ceasefire agreed in Gaza has meant that plans by Uefa to vote on suspending Israel have been put on hold. The Times revealed last month that several European clubs had asked Uefa if there was any way they could avoid playing Israeli opponents.
West Midlands Police and Villa have been approached for comment.
https://archive.ph/FJLG3
https://www.thetimes.com/sport/footb...game-96bc9bkp7
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Football without fans is nothing. Unless it's COVID. And government action. Yet this goes amiss.
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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
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modern society!
Football without fans is nothing. Unless it's COVID. And government action. Yet this goes amiss.
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safety first
i hate football so I'll just say if you can't behave it's tough shyte
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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
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Football without fans is nothing. Unless it's COVID. And government action. Yet this goes amiss.
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There will be fans, just mostly Aston Villa fans.
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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
Keep politics out of sport.
That used to be the slogan didn’t it?
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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
Only when it suits them. Cry for Ukraine is still prevalent.
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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
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Keep politics out of sport.
That used to be the slogan didn’t it?
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Who said that?
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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
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Who said that?
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I don’t know who, but it was used during the days of apartheid when people still wanted to play South Africa at cricket and rugby.
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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
So the government are trying to make this match go ahead as normal. I find it tragic whether or not both sets of fans have thugs. Not any one person will ever dominate this world. I feel the exclusion hands power to a very dangerous presidence. Birmingham doesn't belong to any one faith. Trump declared drug terrorism. Our coward leader should declare this terrorism!
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“Keep racism out of football”
Will they be taking the knee this weekend?
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