15-10-2025, 17:16
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Talking Starmer down and the embarrassing Labour government down, is not talking the country down.
Don’t conflate the two
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If you criticise the UK and France for trying to take credit then you're clearly talking about countries and not Starmer and his government.
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15-10-2025, 17:41
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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If you criticise the UK and France for trying to take credit then you're clearly talking about countries and not Starmer and his government.
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Whenever we criticise countries, we are really criticising the policies of the relevant governments and, by association, their leaders.
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15-10-2025, 18:02
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Whenever we criticise countries, we are really criticising the policies of the relevant governments and, by association, their leaders.
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15-10-2025, 18:07
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
If you criticise the UK and France for trying to take credit then you're clearly talking about countries and not Starmer and his government.
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Not at all and that is a very strange way to view it.
I’m, very obviously, criticising the governments of those countries for their political gamesmanship not the country itself.
Jacque the onion seller in downtown Paris, and Fred the black cab driver are not claiming to take credit are they?
Stop being silly.
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15-10-2025, 20:29
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
A better definition of being silly is to criticise the UK for trying to take credit when we know that the UK has done a lot of work behind the scenes which has been openly acknowledged by Steve Witkoff, United States Special Envoy to the Middle East.
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15-10-2025, 21:03
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
A better definition of being silly is to criticise the UK for trying to take credit when we know that the UK has done a lot of work behind the scenes which has been openly acknowledged by Steve Witkoff, United States Special Envoy to the Middle East.
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We, more importantly you, don’t know that. Define “a lot”, you can’t but I’m open to hear you detail all of our work behind the scenes.
Marco Rubio and Mike Huckabee say otherwise, President Trumps actions suggest otherwise.
He doesn’t even call Starmer by name. “Where’s the U.K?” Then blanks him and turns his back on him. Coordinated and well judged to cause embarrassment.
Starmer then skulks back into the background like a school boy trying to ingratiate himself with the popular kids but being totally ignored. He probably went home and cried.
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15-10-2025, 21:11
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Partly, yes.
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
Can you back up your suggestion that Brexit has not caused the need to raise taxes?
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Can you back up your suggestion that Brexit has not caused the need to raise taxes?
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It maybe played a part, but so did covid, paying the strikers, forking out various compensations, energy prices (for all those Govt. buildings), bunging cash to Ukraine (and elsewhere), new roads . . . I could go on but it's a big list
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Can you back up your suggestion that Brexit has not caused the need to raise taxes?
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The incompetence of implementing its benefits did that.
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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The incompetence of implementing its benefits did that.
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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The incompetence of implementing its benefits did that.
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Yesterday, 18:21
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
How come brexit didn't play a part in last years budget, the one that "fixed the foundations" etc etc
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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I have to ask, because apparently the UK imports a lot of Pork . . . is that an English pig or a European one?
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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How come brexit didn't play a part in last years budget, the one that "fixed the foundations" etc etc
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Brexit as you know is a long term project to impoverish the country. It won't all happen overnight You can expect decades of pain, whoever is running the place is irrelevant. Who have thunk Project Fear was true? With the added unexpected benefit of making the migrant crisis worse. Enjoy, and dont blame politicians from all sides who said it was daft.
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