Starmer’s chronicles

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Talking Starmer down and the embarrassing Labour government down, is not talking the country down.

Don’t conflate the two

If you criticise the UK and France for trying to take credit then you're clearly talking about countries and not Starmer and his government.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If you criticise the UK and France for trying to take credit then you're clearly talking about countries and not Starmer and his government.

Whenever we criticise countries, we are really criticising the policies of the relevant governments and, by association, their leaders.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Whenever we criticise countries, we are really criticising the policies of the relevant governments and, by association, their leaders.

isn't america really orange

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If you criticise the UK and France for trying to take credit then you're clearly talking about countries and not Starmer and his government.

Not at all and that is a very strange way to view it.

I’m, very obviously, criticising the governments of those countries for their political gamesmanship not the country itself.

Jacque the onion seller in downtown Paris, and Fred the black cab driver are not claiming to take credit are they?

Stop being silly.

[1andrew1]

A better definition of being silly is to criticise the UK for trying to take credit when we know that the UK has done a lot of work behind the scenes which has been openly acknowledged by Steve Witkoff, United States Special Envoy to the Middle East.