Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[Sephiroth]

That hardly explained what the people were demanding. My reading of the situation fairly early on was that the people generally wanted Hamas to be smashed. The families of hostages were shit scared that Israel's military response would get the hostages killed. That's rock/hard place stuff.

And yes, it suited Netanyahu's political purpose, likely driven by the Smotrich faction - but that is a side issue if it's the hostages we're talking about.

After all, how many hostages died between March 2025 and today?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

That hardly explained what the people were demanding. My reading of the situation fairly early on was that the people generally wanted Hamas to be smashed. The families of hostages were shit scared that Israel's military response would get the hostages killed. That's rock/hard place stuff.

And yes, it suited Netanyahu's political purpose, likely driven by the Smotrich faction - but that is a side issue if it's the hostages we're talking about.

After all, how many hostages died between March 2025 and today?

My reading indicated that a safe return of the hostages was the Israeli public's top priority.

It would obviously have been far less stressful for the hostages and their families had Netanyahu not derailed the ceasefire, thereby preventing the hostages returning home in March.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

My reading indicated that a safe return of the hostages was the Israeli public's top priority.

It would obviously have been far less stressful for the hostages and their families had Netanyahu not derailed the ceasefire, thereby preventing the hostages returning home in March.

Big mistake by hamas was overestimating how much the Israeli government would want the hostages back, they thought it'd be like Gilad Shalit all over again and the sheer number of hostages that'd be endangered would protect them from retaliation and retribution, they thought wrong

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Big mistake by hamas was overestimating how much the Israeli government would want the hostages back

I think they may have made a mistake in their estimation of how Israel would respond to their attack in 2023.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul

I think they may have made a mistake in their estimation of how Israel would respond to their attack in 2023.

Agreed. Maybe it was a last throw of the dice.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. Maybe it was a last throw of the dice.

Presumably you are referring to Hamas. But why a 'last throw'?

The October 7th attack was surely a simple smash and grab raid with unimaginable consequences.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

I think they may have made a mistake in their estimation of how Israel would respond to their attack in 2023.

That's exactly what I meant, must have been tired, they thought the number of hostages they took would limit the response due to Israels past desire to get them back at almost any cost

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. Maybe it was a last throw of the dice.

To what?

[Pierre]

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/14/m...ity-hamas-intl

Got to be some way we can blame the IDF for this.

Will there by any marches against Hamas for killing innocent palestinians?..........no there won't.

[Carth]

Has anything really changed?

Hamas are still going to 'control' everything . . by force if people complain.

All that death and destruction, the crying and wailing, the marches and protests, the finger pointing and condemnation . . . for what?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Carth

Has anything really changed?

Hamas are still going to 'control' everything . . by force if people complain.

All that death and destruction, the crying and wailing, the marches and protests, the finger pointing and condemnation . . . for what?

The gnashing of teeth, obviously.

Israel will forcibly disarm Hamas, imo. Either directly or through their own proxies. Hamas don’t have a hold over Israel in terms of the deceased hostages.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The gnashing of teeth, obviously.

Israel will forcibly disarm Hamas, imo. Either directly or through their own proxies. Hamas don’t have a hold over Israel in terms of the deceased hostages.

They've been trying that and it hasn't worked

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

They've been trying that and it hasn't worked

Agreed, it's a bit like whack-a-mole.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed, it's a bit like whack-a-mole.

Same as Ukraine - Russia then

Originally Posted by Carth

Same as Ukraine - Russia then

Not really…