Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[Carth]

I don't really find any fault with that post at all.

I'm sure that may make me a socially and morally outcast, but hey, call me names and take away my bus pass

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by damien c

This is my opinion, you may not like it, that is your choice, if you don't that is fine, it you do that is also fine, it's not going to change my opinion about anyone and unless something is put in front that I find a fitting argument, it's not going to change my opinion.

fine….taken as read really, but I’m happy you could express yourself.

To me we should not be sending millions/billions of pounds to Ukraine to support them in a war that they have been fighting for hundreds of years, this latest war has been active since 2014, I notice how we were not sending them Millions/Billions back then!

Back when?

Russia and Ukraine will never fully stop fighting, until Ukraine is part of NATO, then you will find Russia will stop because as mad as Putin is, he doesn't really want all out war with NATO because he knows Russia will be wiped of the face of the planet, as will anywhere that he decides to fire his nukes at, NATO and Russia going to war is mutually assured destruction and has the potential for being as bad for the planet as a massive asteroid hitting it, like the one that killed of the Dinosaurs!!

Ukraine will not be part of NATO whilst this conflict is unresolved. That’s a fact.

At the moment the UK has apparently got some random number between £20bn and £10000000000000000000000000000000tn pound black hole, the number changes depending on how much the clown in charge wants to tax everyone and steal from everyone.

So we have that massive black hole in the finances, but we continue to fund a war that has nothing to do with us, is not going to stop anytime soon, is doing nothing to us but causing all of our bills to sky rocket due to taxes and even when it's "over" is not going to change our lives at all in any way shape or form because all the money that we were sending to Ukraine, will be allocated to some other country who is at war, that again will more than likely have nothing to do with us, not affect us in way until we start funding one side of it.

Well it won’t be over by joining NATO. So we will just keep funding it.

We in this country according to the Government cannot look after our own, we cannot provide enough doctors, nurses, dentists, police officers, fire fighters, paramedics etc etc because the funding is not there, but somehow we can find a couple of million to send to Zelenski when he comes begging, can find a couple of million to send to Netanyahu when he asks for it, can find £50m to send to a terrorist organisation who are now in charge of Syria, can find millions each month to fund hotels, prioritised health care, free education, free food, free travel, free entertainment etc for illegal immigrants and asylum seekers, find millions each month or year to fund nutjob millibands energy BS, oh and don't forget £65k a year for Raving Rayner to have a personal photographer!

So not I think we have more important things in this country that we should be spending the money on that Rachel Thieves steals from us on a daily basis, instead of funding never ending wars, personal vanity projects of a bunch of criminals in government!

We are a part of NATO, we should defend and support NATO countries, all the rest can look after themselves until we are capable of looking after ourselves.

I refer you to your previous point about Ukraine joining NATO.

If you want to try and change my mind, go for it, open to hearing what people want to say, I just don't think anyone can say why we should tell people in this country "You should pay 1000% more for food, so that we can send X Country money to buy bombs and bullets".

No, you’ve done a great job.

[damien c]

Back when?

Back in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, all the years that this war has been going on for, it did not start in 2022 it started again in 2014, the difference is that Zelensky started begging for help because Putin like Netanyahu just started dropping bombs anywhere and everywhere without a care for civilians or innocents, and pushed troops into Ukraine.

One thing I find annoying though is that NATO and the EU seem to have hamstrung Zelensky to fight this war fully by refusing to allow the weapons they provide to be used to go on an offensive fully.

Ukraine will not be part of NATO whilst this conflict is unresolved. That’s a fact.

Well it won’t be over by joining NATO. So we will just keep funding it.



I refer you to your previous point about Ukraine joining NATO.

All it takes is a "Ceasefire" long enough and Ukraine would join NATO, NATO have already agreed for Ukraine to join NATO and is prepping for Ukraine to join NATO as a full fledged member.

As for constantly funding it, well one day it has to stop because we cannot bankrupt this country in order to fund another country to buy bullets and bombs to fight another.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by damien c

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As for constantly funding it, well one day it has to stop because we cannot bankrupt this country in order to fund another country to buy bullets and bombs to fight another.

It would also help if we (those in power) stopped funding other crap and also forgot about all this net zero nonsense

[damien c]

Originally Posted by Carth

It would also help if we (those in power) stopped funding other crap and also forgot about all this net zero nonsense

Yep that certainly would help if the clowns in charge realised that even if we in this country somehow managed to get to completely 0% carbon footprint, something which is absolutely 100% impossible, you can never reach 0% carbon footprint or Net Zero it's a fallacy and a impossibility.

However let's say we found a way to not need coal, gas, plastic, rubber, metal etc etc, we produced everything in this country and consumed only stuff produced in this country that produced no pollution and had zero effect on the climate, the "Climate Emergency" would still be a "Climate Emergency" because the pollution levels would drop by I think it is 3.6% or 4% globally, something that is the grand scheme of things going to make no difference.

Let's not forget that Sad Act in London wanted to charge people a tax for brake dust and tyre particles because Electric cars didn't pay what the ICE cars did, also he wants to tax people for having a concrete driveway because 2 meter's of grass is going save the planet and stop flooding, in a city where the water works are knackered, as it is through out the whole of the country!

The politicians are clowns all of them, they have no idea what the real world is like they have no idea what it is to struggle etc, they just sit happy raking in hundreds of thousands each year if not millions each year, laughing about making our lives worse!

[Carth]

They just can't help it can they

Clashes erupt between Hamas forces and armed clan members in Gaza City

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5e551j593o

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cder1pg17yrt


At least 27 people have been killed in clashes between Hamas and a Gaza City clan since the end of major Israeli operations in the territory

[Sephiroth]

Could have been planned by Israel to take the rest of Hamas out.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Could have been planned by Israel to take the rest of Hamas out.

To do that (take Hamas out) you'd need to be using much more than a few armed clan members.

. . and not just in Gaza (shipped in from outside)

[Sephiroth]

James O'Brien on LBC is pontificating on how disproportionate the celebrations in Israel are. What doesn't that berk think happened on October 7th 2023?

Of course Israel will rejoice at the hostage release. It's quite separate from being appalled at the total destruction of Gaza.

[papa smurf]

trump sounds like an opera singer warming up, me me me me me me me me me me me me

[thenry]

What's the alternative?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by thenry

What's the alternative?

Biden going "me .. me.. err . . them . . it was a Saturday . . you, them? . . us . . err .. erm . . nice bikini . . err .. me . . I think"

[thenry]

Imagine the great Kamala Harris waging a war for greater democracy in the region. Thank you America for not doing dirty on the world.

Sir Blair had his moment in history. There is no need for greed which will clearly unsettle people. Behind all the wrongs is a smile of hope. There are people that can achieve it so let them be.

Whatever you think of Trump (and my opinion of him is very low) he has got the remaining Israeli hostages released, which seems a good thing to me.

Will the peace last ? that remains to be seen.

[noel43]

Originally Posted by Paul

Whatever you think of Trump (and my opinion of him is very low) he has got the remaining Israeli hostages released, which seems a good thing to me.

Will the peace last ? that remains to be seen.

Not really trumps plan most of it was proposed at the beginning of the year by france

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Originally Posted by thenry

Imagine the great Kamala Harris waging a war for greater democracy in the region. Thank you America for not doing dirty on the world.

Sir Blair had his moment in history. There is no need for greed which will clearly unsettle people. Behind all the wrongs is a smile of hope. There are people that can achieve it so let them be.

that war crim who made his money from the war he helped to create, by doing speeches about it.