Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[Carth]

Is it reasonable to assume if the UK accept refugees from both sides they will play nicely with each other once here?

or will the deep rooted antagonism still hold and create the same conflict in small doses

Why would there be Israeli refugees?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Why would there be Israeli refugees?

Give it time Hugh

[damien c]

Originally Posted by Carth

Is it reasonable to assume if the UK accept refugees from both sides they will play nicely with each other once here?

or will the deep rooted antagonism still hold and create the same conflict in small doses

Israel has said it will "Wipe out hamas wherever it is" which is why they started attacking other countries, so the UK is not safe, nor is America or any country when you have a leader who is blood thirsty like Netanyahu.

Hamas has said it will wipe out the Jews from the planet, just like Hitler wanted to do, they will not stop no matter where they are, we have seen that recently with the attack in Manchester and as I have said I do not think it will be the last attack, I fully expect there to be more, I don't there to be anymore, on either side but I do not believe they will stop.


Even if Trumps plan works, it won't be long before one of them attacks the other and it all starts again, the thing is people seem to think this has only been going on for the last couple of years, it's not it's been going on for decades just like Russia and Ukraine and it will never stop.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Why would there be Israeli refugees?

Originally Posted by Carth

Give it time Hugh

Not really an answer…

There will be no re-run of the ‘67 Yom Kippur War, the USA will make sure Iran aren’t an existential threat, and the rest of the Arab World (well, the important oil states) don’t want the disruption a large-scale conflict will bring.

What do you think will cause Israeli refugees?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by damien c

Israel has said it will "Wipe out hamas wherever it is" which is why they started attacking other countries, so the UK is not safe, nor is America or any country when you have a leader who is blood thirsty like Netanyahu.

Hamas has said it will wipe out the Jews from the planet, just like Hitler wanted to do, they will not stop no matter where they are, we have seen that recently with the attack in Manchester and as I have said I do not think it will be the last attack, I fully expect there to be more, I don't there to be anymore, on either side but I do not believe they will stop.

Even if Trumps plan works, it won't be long before one of them attacks the other and it all starts again, the thing is people seem to think this has only been going on for the last couple of years, it's not it's been going on for decades just like Russia and Ukraine and it will never stop.

Israel has said it will "Wipe out hamas wherever it is" which is why they started attacking other countries, so the UK is not safe, nor is America or any country when you have a leader who is blood thirsty like Netanyahu.

Are these your true colours? Painting Hamas as the victims? (which is a reasonable inference). Hamas should not be allowed anywhere. See October 7th 2023 for details.

Hamas has said it will wipe out the Jews from the planet, just like Hitler wanted to do, they will not stop no matter where they are, we have seen that recently with the attack in Manchester and as I have said I do not think it will be the last attack, I fully expect there to be more, I don't there to be anymore, on either side but I do not believe they will stop.

Yes - just remember the two H words: Hitler & Hamas. I hope you are encouraging the UK to do its job to help remove the curse of Hamas from the UK.

[damien c]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Are these your true colours? Painting Hamas as the victims? (which is a reasonable inference). Hamas should not be allowed anywhere. See October 7th 2023 for details.



Yes - just remember the two H words: Hitler & Hamas. I hope you are encouraging the UK to do its job to help remove the curse of Hamas from the UK.

Not painting Hamas as victims at all, I am just saying that Netanyahu will not stop, even if he wiped out Hamas from Gaza etc, he will, as he has shown continue to fight them, including by attacking them in other countries.

Hamas as far as I am concerned should be wiped out, but it needs to be done properly, not just with bombs dropped anywhere and everywhere some nutjob thinks they might be which is currently what Netanyahu is doing.

It should be surgical, done with precision based on legit intel and carried out cleanly to minimise the risk to the innocent public.


As for encouraging the UK to do what needs to be done, well at the moment I would say the UK Government has more important things to worry about than going to fight someone who has not attacked this country currently and we should avoid getting involved in wars that have nothing to do with us, just because America has.

Now if Hamas attacks this country, then send the full force of the Armed Forces at them, annihilate them but we won't because our leaders, as clueless as they maybe about most things, the one thing they won't do is go attacking other countries, I think most of them have learnt the lessons from Blair and the other MP's did back then.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by damien c

Now if Hamas attacks this country, then send the full force of the Armed Forces at them, annihilate them but we won't because our leaders, as clueless as they maybe about most things, the one thing they won't do is go attacking other countries, I think most of them have learnt the lessons from Blair and the other MP's did back then.

Russia hasn't attacked the UK, but we're supporting Ukraine to the tune of millions.

And we're definitely not recognising The Donbas as being part of Russia.

[tweetiepooh]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Not really an answer…

There will be no re-run of the ‘67 Yom Kippur War,

The Yom Kippur War was in 1973, it was the Six Day War in 1967.

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

The Yom Kippur War was in 1973, it was the Six Day War in 1967.

Thanks for spotting that - my mistake

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Russia hasn't attacked the UK, but we're supporting Ukraine to the tune of millions.

So should we only support an attacked country if the attacker also attacks the UK?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Russia hasn't attacked the UK, but we're supporting Ukraine to the tune of millions.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

So should we only support an attacked country if the attacker also attacks the UK?

Hey, that financial black hole won't keep getting bigger if we don't keep digging into it

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

The Yom Kippur War was in 1973, it was the Six Day War in 1967.

.... anyone see a pattern there? Leading to Hamas, Hezbollah, Houtis, etc., and to the Manchester Synagogue atrocity?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

So should we only support an attacked country if the attacker also attacks the UK?

I didn't say that, i was pointing out the flaw in his argument.

[damien c]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Russia hasn't attacked the UK, but we're supporting Ukraine to the tune of millions.

And we're definitely not recognising The Donbas as being part of Russia.

This is my opinion, you may not like it, that is your choice, if you don't that is fine, it you do that is also fine, it's not going to change my opinion about anyone and unless something is put in front that I find a fitting argument, it's not going to change my opinion.


To me we should not be sending millions/billions of pounds to Ukraine to support them in a war that they have been fighting for hundreds of years, this latest war has been active since 2014, I notice how we were not sending them Millions/Billions back then!

Russia and Ukraine will never fully stop fighting, until Ukraine is part of NATO, then you will find Russia will stop because as mad as Putin is, he doesn't really want all out war with NATO because he knows Russia will be wiped of the face of the planet, as will anywhere that he decides to fire his nukes at, NATO and Russia going to war is mutually assured destruction and has the potential for being as bad for the planet as a massive asteroid hitting it, like the one that killed of the Dinosaurs!!


At the moment the UK has apparently got some random number between £20bn and £10000000000000000000000000000000tn pound black hole, the number changes depending on how much the clown in charge wants to tax everyone and steal from everyone.

So we have that massive black hole in the finances, but we continue to fund a war that has nothing to do with us, is not going to stop anytime soon, is doing nothing to us but causing all of our bills to sky rocket due to taxes and even when it's "over" is not going to change our lives at all in any way shape or form because all the money that we were sending to Ukraine, will be allocated to some other country who is at war, that again will more than likely have nothing to do with us, not affect us in way until we start funding one side of it.

We in this country according to the Government cannot look after our own, we cannot provide enough doctors, nurses, dentists, police officers, fire fighters, paramedics etc etc because the funding is not there, but somehow we can find a couple of million to send to Zelenski when he comes begging, can find a couple of million to send to Netanyahu when he asks for it, can find £50m to send to a terrorist organisation who are now in charge of Syria, can find millions each month to fund hotels, prioritised health care, free education, free food, free travel, free entertainment etc for illegal immigrants and asylum seekers, find millions each month or year to fund nutjob millibands energy BS, oh and don't forget £65k a year for Raving Rayner to have a personal photographer!

So not I think we have more important things in this country that we should be spending the money on that Rachel Thieves steals from us on a daily basis, instead of funding never ending wars, personal vanity projects of a bunch of criminals in government!

We are a part of NATO, we should defend and support NATO countries, all the rest can look after themselves until we are capable of looking after ourselves.


If you want to try and change my mind, go for it, open to hearing what people want to say, I just don't think anyone can say why we should tell people in this country "You should pay 1000% more for food, so that we can send X Country money to buy bombs and bullets".