Manchester synagogue attack

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I’ll begin by stating that yesterday was horrific evil scenes (because it would appear that to some if you don’t explicitly state this you’re supporting the action)

I think your thinking regarding Islamophobia is way off. From what I could find there were 6000 reported incidents of Islamophobia reported in 2024 vs iirc 3800 (ish) reported incidents of antisemitism

To suggest Islamophobia isn’t an issue with Islamophobia is ridiculous but alas completely expected from you.

The Muslim population in the UK is about 10x larger than the Jewish one. On a per capita basis, that makes antisemitism a far larger problem, based on the reported crime figures you’re leaning on.

3,800 cases of antisemitism means on average one in every 100 Jews has suffered in some way, while the figure for Muslims is nearer one in 680.

[damien c]

I feel sorry for 2 people I used to work with, one of them is Jewish, he was due to go to that specific synagogue yesterday but was unable to due to his wife having bad morning sickness, he is happy that he didn't go because he could have been injured but is also devastated because of what has happened.

One of my old bosses lives not too far in reality from the synagogue and last night and this morning has had people making stupid comments to him, he is Muslim, him and his family are really nice, friendly and would help anyone if they could.

I feel sorry for all involved who have lost someone, those injured and those who now will feel even more afraid to leave their houses, sadly though nothing will change really, the police will show up a bit more for a week or so and then back to their normal routines until something else happens.


Personal thoughts below.

Personally I think there will be more attacks in the coming months, with the way things are going on with Israel and Hamas, I can only see things getting more and more heated throughout the world and more attacks being carried out, sadly I think in order to actually put a stop to the whole thing, I think the west needs to step in and remove Netanyahu from power, stop providing Israel with weapons and basically take control of the IDF and give Hamas 1 day to disarm and hand over control of Gaza to an International Controlling Authority, made up from people from different countries not lead by Trump and Blair.

Get them setup for "Mutual Survival" and basically tell them straight, start again and you deal with it yourselves, no help from the west at all, personally we shouldn't be helping countries who only seem to only ever fight with each other in an aim to wipe each other out.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Chris

The Muslim population in the UK is about 10x larger than the Jewish one. On a per capita basis, that makes antisemitism a far larger problem, based on the reported crime figures you’re leaning on.

3,800 cases of antisemitism means on average one in every 100 Jews has suffered in some way, while the figure for Muslims is nearer one in 680.

Fair point I hadn’t considered that

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

What does being on bail for rape have to do with "Diversity" or commiting a terrorist attack

Well………


The fact that he was a Syrian national, an immigrant (don’t know how he came in) given citizenship. Obviously a wrongun. Why was he allowed to stay …….no doubt that may come out.

My point is Starmer and all the others, bang on about how diversity is our strength and diverse cultures enrich our own.

When, in reality, we are are importing a load of violent, murderous, rapist men from cultures that are less than ours, way less.

Don’t get me wrong, we have our own indigenous equals, but they are ours to deal with, we do not need to import anymore.

This upstanding citizen from Syria came here in 2007, or became a citizen in 2007. And he has allegedly raped someone and definitely killed somebody, and by his actions killed and injured several others. If he was not allowed into this country in the first place how different would those lives be now?

That is the issue.

We are letting in thousands of potential Jihadists every day. Don’t kid yourself islamist killings is already, in the scheme of things, a regular occurrence in the U.K.

[Sephiroth]

Antisemitism is a well understood thing and its formal definition is accepted by all except those who don't like Jews.

Islamophobia hasn't been formally defined and that's because you have to define the irrationality element that is to be deprecated. At the moment, as events have shown over the last 20 years or so, Islamophobia doesn't really exist. There is a genuine fear of Islam at the moment and the demonstrations and immigration numbers do nothing to lessen that fear. Hence no phobia.

With regard to your statistics, they need to be carefully assessed. The BBC has done the reporting, quoting Tell Mama in the cases of Muslims & the Community Security Trust in the cases of Jews. Each of those charities is aligned to the respective community and are not official bodies.

It is also the case that those numbers you quoted were all related to the October 7th massacre and subsequent Israeli reaction. So that's a packed situation and in the UK, it's Muslim people who who commit terrorist acts in the UK not Jews.

Also to bear in mind, there are c. 4 million Muslims in the UK and 300,000 Jews. That would surely affect the balance of reports as Chris has observed.