Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Paul

I thought journalists were banned from Gaza anyway ?

There are many Gazans reporting for Aljazeera a large number have been murdered by the IDF, Israel will not allow international scrutiny through journalists, which should sound alarm bells

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UK officially recognises Palestine as a state


https://news.sky.com/story/uk-offici...state-13435436


Sir Keir Starmer has announced the UK has officially recognised Palestine as a state.

"Today, to revive the hope of peace for the Palestinians and Israelis, and a two state solution, the United Kingdom formally recognises the State of Palestine," the prime minister said on X, alongside a longer video statement.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

There are many Gazans reporting for Aljazeera a large number have been murdered by the IDF, Israel will not allow international scrutiny through journalists, which should sound alarm bells

---------- Post added at 15:09 ---------- Previous post was at 13:51 ----------

UK officially recognises Palestine as a state


https://news.sky.com/story/uk-offici...state-13435436


Sir Keir Starmer has announced the UK has officially recognised Palestine as a state.

"Today, to revive the hope of peace for the Palestinians and Israelis, and a two state solution, the United Kingdom formally recognises the State of Palestine," the prime minister said on X, alongside a longer video statement.

Virtue signalling without there being a kangaroo's fart of a chance that the gesture will bring peace any closer or the actualisation of a functional, democratic, Palestine.

We should be dealing with Israel as bad eggs not promoting their mortal enemy. Islam and Judaism are poor bedfellow.

[thenry]

Because the Jews questioned Moses. And didn't unreservedly follow the prophet.

The blind leading the blind.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by thenry

Because the Jews questioned Moses. And didn't unreservedly follow the prophet.

The blind leading the blind.

You rather make my point. Infidels are for the chop (unless you get them first/next.

[thenry]

A bunch of crackheads calling the shots what's the worse that could happen, people whom lie to your face

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by thenry

A bunch of crackheads calling the shots what's the worse that could happen, people whom lie to your face

The worst that could happen (apart from nuclear war) is that we, including Israel, could all be facing east in the not too distant future.

[thenry]

I couldn't care less whether Russia wants to dominate the continent. As Trumbo would say... I'm surrounded by water. Set fire to the world.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by thenry

I couldn't care less whether Russia wants to dominate the continent. As Trumbo would say... I'm surrounded by water. Set fire to the world.

I think you rather missed the main point!

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

I thought journalists were banned from Gaza anyway ?

Foreign ones are, local ones are targeted and killed

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Virtue signalling without there being a kangaroo's fart of a chance that the gesture will bring peace any closer or the actualisation of a functional, democratic, Palestine.

We should be dealing with Israel as bad eggs not promoting their mortal enemy. Islam and Judaism are poor bedfellow.

Not recognising Palestine hasn't exactly done wonders for the 65,000 people killed in Gaza post 7/10, nor released any of the hostages nor prevented the atrocities of 7/10.

Maybe it is time to try another approach, especially as Netanyahu seems impervious to advice from the IDF and overtures from his allies.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not recognising Palestine hasn't exactly done wonders for the 65,000 people killed in Gaza post 7/10, nor released any of the hostages nor prevented the atrocities of 7/10.

Maybe it is time to try another approach, especially as Netanyahu seems impervious to advice from the IDF and overtures from his allies.

I see your logic - but is it possible? In a year's time, when Netanyahu is up for election, he'll either have eliminated Hamas or the next generation will be standing in the wings (very likely given the even worse bad egg - Iran). That's how he hopes to retain power - through the gratitude and admiration of the people.

Israelis know that they are past the point of no return with the Palestinian people. Israel's behaviour toward the West Bank people has made certain of that.

So, whoever wins the next Israeli GE, the government will be stuck with the logical consequences of Netanyahu's actions.

Given the penetration of Israeli settlements in the West Bank - some 200,000 people. you can see whey it's the point beyond no return.

The best that Israel could then do in those circumstances, I suggest, is to woo the Palestinians into chucking their lot in with Israel, then annexing the West Bank. I would expect the USA to play a part, given the real estate opportunities. This would require a breakthrough in realism for the Palestinians especially if they can be convinced of several uplift in living standards.

Why is all the above pie in the sky? There are 2+ million Palestinians who, if they become Israeli citizens, could disturb the balance of political power.

Thus - back to square one. Everyone being appalled at Israel with nothing to offer but scolding remarks and no solutions. I suppose that Israel could develop the West Bank, providing employment opportunity for the Palestinians and growth of wealth. If that's Netanyahu's intention, he needs to get them onside - so back to square one!

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not recognising Palestine hasn't exactly done wonders for the 65,000 people killed in Gaza post 7/10, nor released any of the hostages nor prevented the atrocities of 7/10.

Do you really think it would have made any difference, or will make any difference now ?

Netanyahu is clearly a little unbalanced, and his fellow countrymen dont seem to care much.