Chat Control law would scan your emails for content

[Dude111]

Runbox posted a warning on Bluesky about the proposed Chat Control law that would mean all emails will be scanned for content,including encrypted ones.

http://www.privacyguides.org/article...hy-is-this-bad

Up until now the US has been more intrusive than anyone I know!!

[Dude111]

Heres another article on the Chat Control law.

http://techreport.com/news/eu-chat-c...-surveillance/

At its core, the EU?s Chat Control proposal would require digital platforms to scan users? private communications for harmful content. This includes not only traditional social networks but also encrypted messaging services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, and possibly email providers.

Under the current draft of the proposal, providers would be required to implement client-side scanning tools that detect and flag suspected child sexual abuse material (CSAM) or grooming behaviors before messages are encrypted and sent.

Whats the point of having ENCRYPTED messages if they are gonna be spied on???

[tweetiepooh]

So encrypt your content then attach to the email so the client software never gets to see it. The receiver detaches the content, then decrypts it. Anyone hiding stuff still hides it and it only removes privacy from the ordinary folk.

[Carth]

It's all just more bollox isn't it.

[damien c]

I find it funny that people object to stuff like this, whilst posting every time they go to the toilet on Fakebook, post photos every 5 minutes on Instafake and videos on YouTube, whilst allowing any old app to be installed on laptops, tablets and phones without question.

Any with any sense understands that a lot of the stuff that they think are "Safe" are not actually safe, there is not a single platform on the internet anywhere that provides 100% safety and those who think VPN's will offer any safety are quite frankly moronic.

If someone really wants to get access to your messages, emails etc then they will get access if they have the ability and you cannot stop them and frankly Governments do it on a daily basis and if you think they don't then you don't understand how the world works when it comes to "Security" and "Secrets".

[Carth]

Originally Posted by damien c

I find it funny that people object to stuff like this, whilst posting every time they go to the toilet on Fakebook, post photos every 5 minutes on Instafake and videos on YouTube, whilst allowing any old app to be installed on laptops, tablets and phones without question.

Any with any sense understands that a lot of the stuff that they think are "Safe" are not actually safe, there is not a single platform on the internet anywhere that provides 100% safety and those who think VPN's will offer any safety are quite frankly moronic.

If someone really wants to get access to your messages, emails etc then they will get access if they have the ability and you cannot stop them and frankly Governments do it on a daily basis and if you think they don't then you don't understand how the world works when it comes to "Security" and "Secrets".

I'd also go as far as to say that the worst thing you could do is encrypt anything, talk about drawing attention to yourself.

[tweetiepooh]

If government could easily intercept all communications they wouldn't need all the hassle of this sort of bill. I am sure their capabilities are greater than is known but I am equally sure that some platforms are secure enough to make their jobs much harder and can be hardened further if desired.


Additionally encryption can also be coupled with signing to ensure communication isn't interfered with en-route. And yes there are ways to break this, proxies that decrypt contents then reencrypt can hide that activity but having their certificates in the trust store of the client.


But why shouldn't we be able to communicate securely without any old bad actor in the middle being able to read such. We should also look forward, even if the government now is "trustworthy", what about any future government?

[Itshim]

Perhaps banning all Internet access except on government machines that in public places with police observing is the way to go.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Perhaps banning all Internet access except on government machines that in public places with police observing is the way to go.

Don't give them ideas

[damien c]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

If government could easily intercept all communications they wouldn't need all the hassle of this sort of bill. I am sure their capabilities are greater than is known but I am equally sure that some platforms are secure enough to make their jobs much harder and can be hardened further if desired.


Additionally encryption can also be coupled with signing to ensure communication isn't interfered with en-route. And yes there are ways to break this, proxies that decrypt contents then reencrypt can hide that activity but having their certificates in the trust store of the client.


But why shouldn't we be able to communicate securely without any old bad actor in the middle being able to read such. We should also look forward, even if the government now is "trustworthy", what about any future government?

The Governments have access to far greater technology when it comes to encryption cracking than we do, they also have far greater technology when it comes to interception, decryption, surveillance etc than people think they do.

BT wanted to use Phorm in 2008, for "Targeted Adverts" which would even if using a VPN and Encryption, open the packets of data transmitted, read the information, re-encrypt it and send it on to it's destination, and then shove ad's in your browser based of the content it "sniffed" from your data transmission.

That sort of thing is used now and the governments etc do nothing about it, because they are also gaining information from it.

They don't even have to do that though anymore they can quite easily just stick a keylogger on your machine, have it signed to say it's an "Official Security" update and forced on to every piece of tech possible under "National Security" reasons and you will never know it's on your pc because it will just be integrated into a service on Windows etc.

That would completely get around any encryption because as you type it would be recording it and sending it off to where ever, before you even send the message/email etc.


I honestly would not be surprised soon to find our traitorous government forcing all Operating System Developers to create a "UK Specific" build and forcing it on our systems with penalty of prison or extreme fines for not using it, which would give them complete access to the system to monitor typing, speech, video files etc in order to make sure you don't do anything that they don't like.

North Korea will soon look like paradise with the way this current government and previous government want to go, and it would appear the EU want to go to the same levels as well.

But these are the only clowns we can vote in, and there will be no change even if Reform get in at the next election when they have so many of the current MP's defecting to them, that essentially they will be a combination of both parties with the worst of each!