Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[1andrew1]

History won't judge us kindly if we don't solve this humanitarian crisis.*

Famine grips more than half a million people in Gaza City

As we have been reporting, a famine has been officially confirmed in Gaza City and the surrounding neighbourhoods by the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC).

Here are all the key findings from the report...

The famine in Gaza City could spread south to Deir al-Balah and Khan Younis by the end of next month, the world's leading authority on food crises says.

More than half a million people in the Gaza Strip are "facing catastrophic conditions characterised by starvation, destitution and death".

Another 1.07 million people are in an emergency situation and 396,000 people are in crisis.

The UN-backed IPC also warns that "acute malnutrition is projected to continue worsening rapidly".

"Through June 2026, at least 132,000 children under five are expected to suffer from acute malnutrition - double the IPC estimates from May 2025," it says.

"This includes over 41,000 severe cases of children at heightened risk of death. Nearly 55,500 malnourished pregnant and breastfeeding women will also require urgent nutrition response."

Hunger has been driven by fighting and the blockade of aid, the IPC says, and has been magnified by widespread displacement and the collapse of food production in Gaza.

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-late...hamas-13415481

* Just to confirm, I condemn Hamas as terrorists and their 7 October 2023 attack on innocent citizens.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

History won't judge us kindly if we don't solve this humanitarian crisis.*


https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-late...hamas-13415481

* Just to confirm, I condemn Hamas as terrorists and their 7 October 2023 attack on innocent citizens.

The problem is that those of use who care about this crisis are in a minority

[Pierre]

Aid is going in, but not getting to the people that need it.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/08...-along-routes/

“The United Nations’ own statistics confirm that all of its aid mechanisms in Gaza are plagued by the same Darwinian obstacle — that strong and well-armed Palestinians loot and hoard aid that could feed the populace, reducing the effectiveness of centrally planned distribution. Even if Israel guarantees the supply of adequate amounts of aid into the territory, the uneven, cutthroat distribution of the aid within Gaza will lead to preventable suffering. But Hamas and other armed groups make out like bandits.” — David May, Research Manager and Senior Research Analyst

How do you overcome this situation?

[Sephiroth]

Hamas could release all the hostages.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Hamas could release all the hostages.

They should do assuming they're alive. But that won't stop the famine.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They should do assuming they're alive. But that won't stop the famine.

Didn't Israel say that all Hams had to do was release the hostages and there would be a ceasefire? Presumably then the aid would flow properly.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Didn't Israel say that all Hams had to do was release the hostages and there would be a ceasefire? Presumably then the aid would flow properly.

i think you're the only one that believes that

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i think you're the only one that believes that

Seems to me that you lot only have eyes against Israel. Hamas did something as bad as it gets and they must be eliminated. I agree that the collateral human damage is unacceptable, Israel has said that there will be a full ceasefire when Hamas release all the hostages.

Hamas has no excuse for holding onto any hostages in these circumstances. So, criticise each side in equal measure, by all means. Hamas is causing whatever Israel is doing.

[Itshim]

Just a question, not a statement of my position on the subject. What is the real difference between Germanys actions in ww2 in Polands gettos , and Israelis in gaza?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Just a question, not a statement of my position on the subject. What is the real difference between Germanys actions in ww2 in Polands gettos , and Israelis in gaza?

If you isolate the ghetto and Germany's actions, It would seem that Israel is sort of doing much the same to the Gazan population.

But, to put context onto this:

1/
Germany, as depicted and executed by the Nazis, wanted to exterminate all Jews in Europe.

2/
Hamas, among other terrorist organisations orchestrated by Iran, want to exterminate all Jews in the Israel/Palestine region.

3/
Israel, as depicted by a Likud led government in cahoots with the orthodox religious and Zionist parties, is retaliating against Hamas. The poor Gazans are collateral damage to which Israel seems to be blind.

4/
Either Israel stops its military onslaught or Hamas releases the hostages. Israel will not come out of this well internationally. But the real evil is Hamas/Iran.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

If you isolate the ghetto and Germany's actions, It would seem that Israel is sort of doing much the same to the Gazan population.

But, to put context onto this:

1/
Germany, as depicted and executed by the Nazis, wanted to exterminate all Jews in Europe.

2/
Hamas, among other terrorist organisations orchestrated by Iran, want to exterminate all Jews in the Israel/Palestine region.

3/
Israel, as depicted by a Likud led government in cahoots with the orthodox religious and Zionist parties, is retaliating against Hamas. The poor Gazans are collateral damage to which Israel seems to be blind.

4/
Either Israel stops its military onslaught or Hamas releases the hostages. Israel will not come out of this well internationally. But the real evil is Hamas/Iran.

Unless Hamas and Israel strike an agreement, releasing any remaining hostages won't stop the invasion or blocking of aid.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Aid is going in, but not getting to the people that need it.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/08...-along-routes/



How do you overcome this situation?

I’ll counter that with

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...id-2025-07-25/

And if what you say held a degree of merit , let’s not pretend for one second that there’s anywhere near enough aid getting into Gaza.

And if your response is ‘well Hamas would just steal it all’ then the Israelis haven’t really done as good a job of extinguishing the Hamas threat as they say they have. Or, maybe they were lying about that too….

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

If you isolate the ghetto and Germany's actions, It would seem that Israel is sort of doing much the same to the Gazan population.

But, to put context onto this:

1/
Germany, as depicted and executed by the Nazis, wanted to exterminate all Jews in Europe.

2/
Hamas, among other terrorist organisations orchestrated by Iran, want to exterminate all Jews in the Israel/Palestine region.

3/
Israel, as depicted by a Likud led government in cahoots with the orthodox religious and Zionist parties, is retaliating against Hamas. The poor Gazans are collateral damage to which Israel seems to be blind.

4/
Either Israel stops its military onslaught or Hamas releases the hostages. Israel will not come out of this well internationally. But the real evil is Hamas/Iran.

The Israeli government are just as evil as Hamas , they are two sides of the coin. More and more of the rest of the world are seeing this at a rapidly increasing pace.

[jem]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Unless Hamas and Israel strike an agreement, releasing any remaining hostages won't stop the invasion or blocking of aid.

Perhaps, but right now, I struggle to see any advantage for Hamas to keep the hostages, it obviously hasn’t deterred any Israeli military action, it gives Israel an ‘excuse’ for what is happening, I fail to see any good reason to keep them.

Hypothetically suppose that Hamas announce that they will release all of their surviving hostages, and the bodies of those who have died, tomorrow - unconditionally, we just need to know who to release them to and how, safely!

At a stroke it removes a major plank in Israel’s government's justification for pursuing the war. It does, however, create more pressure on Netanyahu to come to some sort of arrangement.

Now there is the obvious claim that this is simply not in his interest, that he needs this to continue to stay in power rather than face possible legal action against him. If the hostages were released and Israel does nothing to reciprocate, then this just reinforces this idea.

Following the Hamas attacks, Isreal had an enormous amount of of international sympathy and support - they have gone from that to a virtual pariah state, arguably because of one persons desire to cling to power.

Hypothetically, in the midst of the IRA’s bombing campaign against British civilian targets, we had retaliated by nuking Dublin to ‘wipe out the IRA commanders’ once and for all'? How would history have regarded that?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Just a question, not a statement of my position on the subject. What is the real difference between Germanys actions in ww2 in Polands gettos , and Israelis in gaza?

If you have to ask that question, you are very ignorant. Do your research there is enough material out there.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Unless Hamas and Israel strike an agreement, releasing any remaining hostages won't stop the invasion or blocking of aid.

Invaision?

Also, Who is stealing and appropriating the aid………….it’s not Israel.

There’s plenty of aid being provided, evidently it’s not getting there. Perhaps ask the Gazan health ministry what the issue is, as all mainstream media sources seem to accept their word as gospel.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Also, Who is stealing and appropriating the aid………….it’s not Israel.

There’s plenty of aid being provided, evidently it’s not getting there. Perhaps ask the Gazan health ministry what the issue is, as all mainstream media sources seem to accept their word as gospel.

Mrmistoffeles has posted a reliable source that shows Hamas are not appropriating the aid. Maybe there'a a non-mainstream website out there that says aliens are stealing it?

Plenty of aid may be provided but as we know, Israel is not allowing enough of it into Gaza.