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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Yes, offshore processing.
That's how Australia did it.
That was how, given a chance, Rwanda would have worked.
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The Rwanda scheme was deemed unlawful by the UK's Supreme Court, so it couldn't have worked. The court cited concerns about Rwanda not being a safe country for refugees, citing potential risks of returning refugees to persecution and Rwanda's human rights record.
If the government of the day had wanted it to work, they would have worked with a country with a good human rights record. But would that country want failed immigrants to the UK and how much would they charge the UK?
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Yesterday, 18:01
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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The Rwanda scheme was deemed unlawful by the UK's Supreme Court, so it couldn't have worked. The court cited concerns about Rwanda not being a safe country for refugees, citing potential risks of returning refugees to persecution and Rwanda's human rights record.
If the government of the day had wanted it to work, they would have worked with a country with a good human rights record. But would that country want failed immigrants to the UK and how much would they charge the UK?
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I think you're wrong.
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On 15 November 2023, the UK’s Supreme Court declared the policy unlawful because Rwanda was not a safe country to which asylum seekers could be removed. In response to the judgment of the Supreme Court, the government published a new treaty with Rwanda, which provides for additional safeguards, and introduced new legislation, which declares that Rwanda is a safe country for asylum seekers. On 25 April 2024, the UK’s treaty with Rwanda was ratified, and the Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Act 2024 became law and is now in force.
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https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...ers-to-rwanda/
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Yesterday, 18:08
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
FOI request to the Home Office (FOI/2024/01244) indicates that technology is employed.
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Freedom of Information request – FOI/2024/01244
Annex B
You asked for the following:
1. How are small boats and migrants detected, and by whom?
2. What technological means and methods are employed for detection?
3. How is detection data processed? And a clarification, equally numbered 1. And 2.
Response
I confirm that the Home Office holds the information that you seek. However, we have concluded that such information would be exempt from disclosure under Section 31(1)(a), (b) and (e) of the FOIA, as release of this information could prejudice the detection or prevention of crime, the apprehension or prosecution of offenders, and the operation of the
immigration controls.
Section 31 of the FOIA is a qualified exemption and requires consideration of the public interest test. We have concluded the public interest lies in favour of withholding the information. Arguments for and against disclosure in terms of public interest, with the reasons for our conclusion, are set out in Annex C.
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https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ponse.pdf.html
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It says it won’t discuss what methods are used, not what methods are used - it is supposition in your part to assume this includes technology to find small boats.
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Yesterday, 18:13
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
1 turn on AIS system
2 locate French coastguard vessel
3 ohh look it's shadowing a small boat full of migrants
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Yesterday, 18:26
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
The Rwanda scheme was deemed unlawful by the UK's Supreme Court, so it couldn't have worked. The court cited concerns about Rwanda not being a safe country for refugees, citing potential risks of returning refugees to persecution and Rwanda's human rights record.
If the government of the day had wanted it to work, they would have worked with a country with a good human rights record. But would that country want failed immigrants to the UK and how much would they charge the UK?
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As per Seph.
Problem was Labour opposed the scheme in opposition, obviously.
So because of their bloody mindedness, they scrapped it immediately, with no alternative plan to replace it.
Champagne all round for the human traffickers, they’ve been bathing in it since. Starmer has made sure their business plan remains lucrative.
And while it is lucrative they’ll keep sending the boats.
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 he'll get a warning.
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Yesterday, 18:48
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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he'll get a warning. |
they just make you buy a license, which he has now done
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Yesterday, 18:54
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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It says it won’t discuss what methods are used, not what methods are used - it is supposition in your part to assume this includes technology to find small boats.
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Planes with radar, hi-tech cameras and sensors to be used to spot Channel migrants
Home Office hires second aircraft equipped with radar, hi-tech cameras and sensors to join mini-airforce that includes drones
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...hannel-spring/
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The Home Office has revealed plans to put in place a near-£15m deal to increase the use of automated tech and artificial intelligence systems in its surveillance of small-boat Channel crossings.
The proposed contract – details of which have emerged just as the leaders of the UK and France announce a new joint plan for tackling small boats – forms part of government’s wider “intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) package”, according to a newly published commercial notice.
The document sets out specifications for technology deployed on land in the UK. These systems should allow government’s Channel Operations team to “reliably and autonomously detect, track, and identify small boats at range, fusing this with data generated by existing platforms, and presenting it to end users”. The new tech systems will cover movements in the UK’s territorial waters around “the Dover Strait from Ramsgate to Hastings”, which encompasses a range a range of 12 nautical miles from the Kent coast.
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https://www.publictechnology.net/202...-surveillance/
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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they just make you buy a license, which he has now done
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Despite the environment agency, saying it will always prosecute, as there is no excuse. Good to see that labour politicians are above the law.
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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they just make you buy a license, which he has now done
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Is that license to kill 
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Yesterday, 19:35
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Planes with radar, hi-tech cameras and sensors to be used to spot Channel migrants
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The Home Office has revealed plans to put in place a near-£15m deal to increase the use of automated tech and artificial intelligence systems in its surveillance of small-boat Channel crossings.
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Once spotted, are they then 'collected' and brought to the UK, or is their location given to the French coastguard?
If they're brought ashore here it doesn't seem a good way of deterring them 
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
The Rwanda scheme was deemed unlawful by the UK's Supreme Court, so it couldn't have worked. The court cited concerns about Rwanda not being a safe country for refugees, citing potential risks of returning refugees to persecution and Rwanda's human rights record.
If the government of the day had wanted it to work, they would have worked with a country with a good human rights record. But would that country want failed immigrants to the UK and how much would they charge the UK?
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Or just changed the legislation!
Why do successive governments keep painting themselves into a corner?
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Yesterday, 19:38
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Why do successive governments keep painting themselves into a corner?
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Hey, if you've got a skill why not always use it 
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Yesterday, 19:39
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Is that license to kill |
no it's catch and return [alive]
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Yesterday, 19:43
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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no it's catch and return [alive]
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Now he's got a rod license any chance of him hooking Diane Abbotts wig
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