Starmer’s chronicles

[Sephiroth]

Anyone else know how to stop the boats?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Anyone else know how to stop the boats?

they won't be stopped by hiding behind "international Law"

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Anyone else know how to stop the boats?

If it was easy, it would have been done by now. If you can sort out the root causes in the countries they are coming from you could prevent a lot of them coming. Easier said than done but better than declaring war on France!

[papa smurf]

Can we hold off on the war with France until after Sunday, my Granddaughters are at Disney land Paris

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Probably because your suggestions have as much basis in reality as saying "I'll click my Red Doc Martens and say "there's no place like home!"...

Exactly Hugh, I'm glad you recognized the tactical way I managed to say "go away, stop bothering me"

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If it was easy, it would have been done by now. If you can sort out the root causes in the countries they are coming from you could prevent a lot of them coming. Easier said than done but better than declaring war on France!

What you say in absolute terms, is true. But in the context of discussion is utter guff.

You can't sort the causes in the countries they are coming from. Why bother saying it? We have to protect our country and its people and we're not doing that either. Starmer has no idea how to solve this and nor do you.

Btw, I never said anything about declaring war on France. An international incident that would arise if we properly took France on is a very different thing.

What's your solution?

"took France on"?

By doing what?

[Carth]

Would it cause an "International Incident" if we just towed them back to French waters . . . about 15 times until they gave up

Try it…

However, you will have to find them first, which is tricky, as RIBs are hard to find on radar, as they have a low reflective profile, and there’s a lot of water and coastline (both sides of the Channel) to cover..

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Try it…

However, you will have to find them first, which is tricky, as RIBs are hard to find on radar, as they have a low reflective profile, and there’s a lot of water and coastline (both sides of the Channel) to cover..

Oh, a danger to other ships then

Anyway, if you did just happen to accidentally find one, wouldn't you be legally obliged to tow it back to the nearest coast (which would coincidentally be French), especially if it was overloaded, had no radio onboard, and some of the people on it were women and children?

Maybe even lawfully obliged to call the French coastguard and see what they did with it

If we're breaking out the old classics, it might be worth a pop at Spain as well? Usually goes well for us.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Anyone else know how to stop the boats?

Yes, offshore processing.

That's how Australia did it.

That was how, given a chance, Rwanda would have worked.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Carth

Would it cause an "International Incident" if we just towed them back to French waters . . . about 15 times until they gave up

Yes - and that's what's needed.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Try it…

However, you will have to find them first, which is tricky, as RIBs are hard to find on radar, as they have a low reflective profile, and there’s a lot of water and coastline (both sides of the Channel) to cover..

But it's what you want? Yes? There's technology that will sort out the challenge you have raised.

There's technology that will sort out the challenge you have raised

I look forward to you providing examples of the technology that can detect low radar profile RIBs amongst all the traffic and sea clutter in the Channel and the multipath reflections from the waves.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I look forward to you providing examples of the technology that can detect low radar profile RIBs amongst all the traffic and sea clutter in the Channel and the multipath reflections from the waves.

FOI request to the Home Office (FOI/2024/01244) indicates that technology is employed.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ponse.pdf.html

Freedom of Information request – FOI/2024/01244

Annex B

You asked for the following:

1. How are small boats and migrants detected, and by whom?
2. What technological means and methods are employed for detection?
3. How is detection data processed? And a clarification, equally numbered 1. And 2.

Response

I confirm that the Home Office holds the information that you seek. However, we have concluded that such information would be exempt from disclosure under Section 31(1)(a), (b) and (e) of the FOIA, as release of this information could prejudice the detection or prevention of crime, the apprehension or prosecution of offenders, and the operation of the
immigration controls.

Section 31 of the FOIA is a qualified exemption and requires consideration of the public interest test. We have concluded the public interest lies in favour of withholding the information. Arguments for and against disclosure in terms of public interest, with the reasons for our conclusion, are set out in Annex C.