Starmer’s chronicles

[Carth]

I'd imagine (I seem to be doing a lot of that, must lay off the Brandy), that punishments outside of prison would fall into the category of 'litter picking' or 'Graffiti cleansing', maybe even compulsory attendance 4 nights a week at a workshop making wicker baskets or something.

Whatever it is, they'll probably need supervision and health & safety checks . . . which may, or may not, amount to £54k a year per naughty person.

[thenry]

Oh no it will most likely be exhausted 54k worker inundated with naughty people so some have slipped through the cracks. Cracks which include anything from basic standards to qualified workers acumen. Of course this will be another neverending learning curve for the government and parliament will applaud the progression of a snail only for some French to bloody eat the thing.

[Sephiroth]

it seems to me to be out of control. We're not far away from exhausting police resources once all this disquiet ramps up.

Starmer is responsible for the triple whammy of Net Zero, rising taxes/poor economic growth, utter uselessness on all the freeloaders and potential terrorists arriving at Dover.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

it seems to me to be out of control. We're not far away from exhausting police resources once all this disquiet ramps up.

Starmer is responsible for the triple whammy of Net Zero, rising taxes/poor economic growth, utter uselessness on all the freeloaders and potential terrorists arriving at Dover.

Sure not the great man has a master plan . It's bringing everyone that wants to come here in. Making sure anyone of any use is gone. That way the stupid ones left will vote of him . That is working well so far.

[Carth]

Most politicians (all parties) are cacking in their pants, they can see the issues already making the news, and can probably see the future issues bubbling away beneath the surface.

They are probably also aware that if they speak out or suggest any 'hardline' responses they'll be castigated by the media, the human rights lot, and quite possibly all their mates n chums in big business.

Look how many U turns have been done already, just ducking & diving, trying to keep everyone happy all the time, stumbling along ahead of the next big failure that will bring the house of cards crashing down around their ears.

R.I.P. UK

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think this should prove popular on the Forum.

https://www.ft.com/content/be182981-...b-7bf09da9134f

Not really bothered, they’ll be straight back in the UK the next week on a small boat.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Not really bothered, they’ll be straight back in the UK the next week on a small boat.

To be fair they only have to get halfway across the channel then it's water Taxi to the lap of luxury

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think this should prove popular on the Forum.

https://www.ft.com/content/be182981-...b-7bf09da9134f

A pretty obvious solution really, which should have been in place years ago, so it’s good to see Starmer’s government doing that, but for some reason he still isn’t serious about tackling illegal immigration.

The steps he has taken so far are doing, and will do nothing to stem the tide of this unwanted invasion. Perhaps there will come a point at which even Starmer will have to act. But perhaps not…..

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Originally Posted by Carth

Most politicians (all parties) are cacking in their pants, they can see the issues already making the news, and can probably see the future issues bubbling away beneath the surface.

They are probably also aware that if they speak out or suggest any 'hardline' responses they'll be castigated by the media, the human rights lot, and quite possibly all their mates n chums in big business.

Look how many U turns have been done already, just ducking & diving, trying to keep everyone happy all the time, stumbling along ahead of the next big failure that will bring the house of cards crashing down around their ears.

R.I.P. UK

Which is why our main political parties are failing to satisfy the voters, who want to see effective action.

Only one party now stands for what is being demanded by the electorate, regardless of what the liberal and leftist media think and blurt out.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

To be fair they only have to get halfway across the channel then it's water Taxi to the lap of luxury

I know it's not the 'correct or moral' thing to do, but that's what I sometimes think when those adverts for the RNLI appear on TV . . . "just £3 a month can help save lives at sea"

If the UK (and French) Governments are so keen to prevent those poor boat people from losing their lives making the dangerous journey, why don't they throw £millions more at the services to bring them back to shore . . . both shores.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

<SNIP>

Which is why our main political parties are failing to satisfy the voters, who want to see effective action.

Only one party now stands for what is being demanded by the electorate, regardless of what the liberal and leftist media think and blurt out.

Reform UK must credibly explain how their promises are to be delivered. A good starting point is to double cost estimates and halve (at least) savings after all the forecasts have been made.

[Carth]

It's at the stage where (who ever is in power) hard decisions are necessary, but the people kick off when they try to implement them.

An example (to me) is America. Cheap foreign imports killing business, cheap foreign labour killing wages. Trump slaps tariffs on imports and gets tough on immigration . . . riots, protests, blah blah.

The guy is trying to pull you out of the rut you're in

Originally Posted by Carth

It's at the stage where (who ever is in power) hard decisions are necessary, but the people kick off when they try to implement them.

An example (to me) is America. Cheap foreign imports killing business, cheap foreign labour killing wages. Trump slaps tariffs on imports and gets tough on immigration . . . riots, protests, blah blah.

The guy is trying to pull you out of the rut you're in

You do realise that Americans pay the tariffs, don't you?

And it was American businesses who exported all their manufacturing overseas to reduce costs and increaase profits.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Reform UK must credibly explain how their promises are to be delivered. A good starting point is to double cost estimates and halve (at least) savings after all the forecasts have been made.

They will, but you have to understand that they don’t have access to the same financial information as the government have, which is what Kemi Badenoch has also made clear. Reform have to take information that is out there already, such as the OBR reports and the government’s own figures.

By putting out figures now, they get a reaction from government and other sources which enable them to fine tune costs and savings.

In the end, even though some of their costings may be out, it doesn’t matter. The government had costed HS2, and look how way out that was!

There are far more savings to be had from existing government waste than many people realise. So I don’t think one or two inaccuracies are going to be particularly significant.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You do realise that Americans pay the tariffs, don't you?

And it was American businesses who exported all their manufacturing overseas to reduce costs and increaase profits.

If you mean Americans pay the tariffs because prices go up to cover costs, then probably so. But this eventually means cheap imports aren't cheap any more and they may as well go back to buying 'home made'

Possibly those American businesses will return to manufacturing in the USA when profits in their overseas factories drop significantly?

I remember all the "Buy British" campaigns, people ignored it and look where we are now

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You do realise that Americans pay the tariffs, don't you?

And it was American businesses who exported all their manufacturing overseas to reduce costs and increaase profits.

Only if they don’t buy American goods, which is the point…

Manufacturers will base their operations wherever it is most economical to do so, where practical. If Trump manages to make it more economical to manufacture within the US, that’s where they will go.

This is the kind of thinking that left-leaners just don’t get.