Online Safety Bill Etc

Originally Posted by Sirius

I did a quick for educational purposes only check and a VPN will circumnavigate the Online Safety nonsense completely and it was a totally free VPN as well.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

There was/is no doubt that this would be/is possible. I'm surprised you find it amusing that some children will use this to circumvent the measures and access all types of pornography and other inappropriate material.

Please show me where, in Sirius’s post, he states that he finds it

amusing that some children will use this to circumvent the measures and access all types of pornography and other inappropriate material.

If Sirius was the litigious sort, you could find yourself in trouble making statements like that…

[Stephen]

Personally I think its just a total waste of time. People will easily learn how to by pass these checks and its not like they could suddenly outlaw VPNs as business use them legitimately.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

There was/is no doubt that this would be/is possible. I'm surprised you find it amusing that some children will use this to circumvent the measures and access all types of pornography and other inappropriate material.

No matter what is put in their way Kids will find a way around it. Take disposable vapes, now kids have moved to nicotine pouches which are far worse and far more addictive.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Please show me where, in Sirius’s post, he states that he finds it



If Sirius was the litigious sort, you could find yourself in trouble making statements like that…

Indeed it an offensive slur on my character:

I found it incedulas that a free vpn made the implementation of age checks a total was of time and money.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

You don't think that the possibility of having their site shut down, huge fines or even imprisonment had any bearing on the decision of websites to either comply with the legislation or voluntarily withdraw from the UK?

What makes you think the UK has any jurisdiction to do such things to anyone in other countries ?

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

They have advised parents to check & try to stop children from using a VPN and made it unlawful for platforms to promote/encourage the use of VPN's in order to circumvent the new restrictions.

Since its not the only use for VPNs (by a long way) parents are unlikely to do any such thing.
Platforms dont need to promote/encourage the use of VPN's, people already know about them anyway.

[Itshim]

Did I hear correctly that Jimmy Wales is concerned that Wikipedia may have to withdraw from the UK , due to this bill. . It was on radio 4 yesterday. Around lunch time . Just caught the end when I got in the car

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Did I hear correctly that Jimmy Wales is concerned that Wikipedia may have to withdraw from the UK , due to this bill. . It was on radio 4 yesterday. Around lunch time . Just caught the end when I got in the car

The fallout from this will be massive and let's face it the more the offended get there way the more they will demand.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Sirius

No matter what is put in their way Kids will find a way around it. Take disposable vapes, now kids have moved to nicotine pouches which are far worse and far more addictive.

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Indeed it an offensive slur on my character:

I found it incedulas that a free vpn made the implementation of age checks a total was of time and money.

LOL stands for 'Laughs out loud', does it not?

[idi banashapan]

The very existence of the Online Safety Bill is a response to something many shy away from saying plainly... too many parents are failing to protect their children online. Internet providers already offer free safety filtering, and both desktop and mobile operating systems include built in parental controls and screen time management tools.

So why the need for legislation? It's not a stretch to suggest that many parents either aren’t bothering to configure these protections, or worse, are deliberately disabling them Perhaps for convenience or out of misplaced trust. The bill steps in where personal responsibility has too often been left at the login screen. And once these new steps are seen to be so easily circumvented with things like the aforesaid free VNPs for example, no doubt the response will be to increase the measures and reductions of personal freedoms even further.

The problem isn't so much children accessing porn, it's the parents not preventing them in the first place. Probably the same who complain about the 'nanny state'.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Paul

What makes you think the UK has any jurisdiction to do such things to anyone in other countries ?


Since its not the only use for VPNs (by a long way) parents are unlikely to do any such thing.
Platforms dont need to promote/encourage the use of VPN's, people already know about them anyway.

The UK has jurisdiction over sites based in other countries that are available in the UK because Parliament passed a law saying so.

Those that don't comply with the law face sanctions that may make it difficult/impossible to carry on. This and persuading foreign governments aside*, I don't think that the UK could close down a site based abroad and they would be geoblocked to those in the UK.

* Other countries are bringing in similar laws, so there may be reciprocal agreements.

Interestingly, Pornhub made themselves unavailable to some American states that introduced similar laws, but have accepted age verification in the UK.

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Originally Posted by idi banashapan

The very existence of the Online Safety Bill is a response to something many shy away from saying plainly... too many parents are failing to protect their children online. Internet providers already offer free safety filtering, and both desktop and mobile operating systems include built in parental controls and screen time management tools.

So why the need for legislation? It's not a stretch to suggest that many parents either aren’t bothering to configure these protections, or worse, are deliberately disabling them Perhaps for convenience or out of misplaced trust. The bill steps in where personal responsibility has too often been left at the login screen. And once these new steps are seen to be so easily circumvented with things like the aforesaid free VNPs for example, no doubt the response will be to increase the measures and reductions of personal freedoms even further.

The problem isn't so much children accessing porn, it's the parents not preventing them in the first place. Probably the same who complain about the 'nanny state'.

Sadly, I think you make a good point. The statistics for the ages of children accessing porn is shocking.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

LOL stands for 'Laughs out loud', does it not?

It does and i was laughing at the fact that the so called experts that are involved in this never took into account the fact that a simple VPN would circumnavigate the block. As for your slur that i find the effects that porn has on children as a joke i don't find it funny at all. I have grandkids and i ensure they are kept away from it. Therefor i would like you to take it back and ask for the offensive post to be removed or i will ask the forum owner to get involved myself.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

The UK has jurisdiction over sites based in other countries that are available in the UK because Parliament passed a law saying so.

LOL. I dont think the world quite works like that, they dont have jurisdiction just because they say so.

They have no power to compel sites in other countries to do anything. The worst they can do (as noted) is try and block them.

After all, that policy has has worked out really well with torrent sites over the last 15 years (many of which have porn sections btw)

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Paul

LOL. I dont think the world quite works like that, they dont have jurisdiction just because they say so.

They have no power to compel sites in other countries to do anything. The worst they can do (as noted) is try and block them.

After all, that policy has has worked out really well with torrent sites over the last 15 years (many of which have porn sections btw)

Apparently, they will try to stop advertisers, hosting providers etc from doing business with the said sites by banning them from doing business in the UK. If this doesn't work and any negotiations with foreign governments don't succeed, you're right, they can only block the offending sites within the UK.

It's worth noting that this isn't just about porn. A site dedicated to WWII may have pictures of wounded/dead soldiers or Holocaust survivors that would be inappropriate for children.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It's worth noting that this isn't just about porn. A site dedicated to WWII may have pictures of wounded/dead soldiers or Holocaust survivors that would be inappropriate for children.

Not true, these new rules are specifically about porn, and in fact more specifically, image/video based porn, text porn is exempt.

It defines porn as "content of such a nature that it is reasonable to assume that it was produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal".

Further to this, it only applies if the service meets all of the following tests:
* regulated provider pornographic content is published or displayed on the service
* the service is not exempt, and
* the service has links with the United Kingdom.

The final one is quite interesting (and vague) the definition seems to be ;
* the service has a significant number of United Kingdom users, or
* United Kingdom users form one of the target markets for the service (or the only target market).

If the site is not aimed at the UK, and/or has few UK users, and doesnt have a uk domain, then its quite likely not covered.

Its all here if you get bored and want to read it.
https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk/part_5...aphic_content/

[mrmistoffelees]

We did some playing around with this at work Using freely available tools on the internet that older children/teenagers will use for other purposes. we were able to create three methods of false identity in about five minutes that were able to convince five age verification services that it was a legitimate identification source and permit access.

The act doesn’t protect it’s a tick box exercise.

What it does do is create massive honeypots of data in various services that will be targeted and in all likelihood will be breached.

[Sirius]

Sky news is reporting the following.

There is also a risk that age verification could push users towards more dangerous corners of the internet in search of pornography.

By 10am on Friday, data suggested an extra 66,000 internet users in the UK had begun using the dark web.

Ms Kubecka fears this number may only increase.

https://news.sky.com/story/hackers-p...conds-13401733

This is exactly what happened with the banning of disposable vapes, Kids just moved to nicotine pouches which are far worse.

In this case if it is kids moving to the dark web then they will be subjected to even more dangerous content.