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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
So let me get this straight....
This morning, Trump says unconditional surrender or else. Then Russia steps in and tells the US to back off or else. Trump then says er maybe, maybe not get involved...
Like he thought he's master of the universe and whatever he says goes. Basically like playing poker, but as soon as he get called. He folds...
That or he's complying with his leader....
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18-06-2025, 20:22
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
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Originally Posted by peanut
So let me get this straight....
This morning, Trump says unconditional surrender or else. Then Russia steps in and tells the US to back off or else. Trump then says er maybe, maybe not get involved...
Like he thought he's master of the universe and whatever he says goes. Basically like playing poker, but as soon as he get called. He folds...
That or he's complying with his leader....
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That would be:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...an-2025-06-18/
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ST PETERSBURG, June 18 (Reuters) - Russia is telling the United States not to strike Iran because it would radically destabilise the Middle East, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said on Wednesday, and Moscow said Israeli strikes risked triggering a nuclear catastrophe.
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18-06-2025, 20:23
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
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Originally Posted by peanut
So let me get this straight....
This morning, Trump says unconditional surrender or else. Then Russia steps in and tells the US to back off or else. Trump then says er maybe, maybe not get involved...
Like he thought he's master of the universe and whatever he says goes. Basically like playing poker, but as soon as he get called. He folds...
That or he's complying with his leader....
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Trump is bully fight. back and he tends to cave in, Starmer is his whipping boy. The man should have never entered politics, so easy to push around.
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18-06-2025, 20:26
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
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Originally Posted by peanut
So let me get this straight....
This morning, Trump says unconditional surrender or else. Then Russia steps in and tells the US to back off or else. Trump then says er maybe, maybe not get involved...
Like he thought he's master of the universe and whatever he says goes. Basically like playing poker, but as soon as he get called. He folds...
That or he's complying with his leader....
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When i watch Trump give one of his rambling speeches i feel like I'm having a stroke because nothing he says makes any sense and it all sounds like gibberish
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18-06-2025, 20:57
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
I honestly do not think Trump knows what he'll do next. He is riding the wave of interest and getting off on the idea that he is a strongman. It's a question of whether his ego is better served by going to war with Iran, getting 'a deal' or just backing off altogether if he thinks the blowback will be too much.
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18-06-2025, 21:01
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
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I can understand why you could interpret it that way, but if that is what Huckabee meant, one would have thought he would say "some think we may just be living in them" rather than the inclusive "some of us".
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Fair enough, I again, take your point.
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18-06-2025, 22:08
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
Trump is dancing around shouting "I'm being unpredictable". I just don't know if he is trying to buy time or is genuinely indecisive.
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18-06-2025, 22:14
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
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Trump is dancing around shouting "I'm being unpredictable". I just don't know if he is trying to buy time or is genuinely indecisive.
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He’s in a genuine bind. Israel’s decisive action is making him look weak. On the other hand, his handlers in Moscow are telling him not to do it, and the MAGA ultras are reminding him he promised not to do it. I almost feel sorry for him.
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18-06-2025, 22:44
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
Well Israel is unlikely to win a sustained military exchange with Iran without western involvement, so if he doesn't back then up Israel will have to back down.
*This does not account for espionage.
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18-06-2025, 22:58
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
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Well Israel is unlikely to win a sustained military exchange with Iran without western involvement, so if he doesn't back then up Israel will have to back down.
*This does not account for espionage.
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Is that right?
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18-06-2025, 23:03
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
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Iran has 10x the population of Israel and is hard to invade because of mountains.
Either there is revolution in Iran or tel Aviv will get chipped away.
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18-06-2025, 23:46
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
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Iran has 10x the population of Israel and is hard to invade because of mountains.
Either there is revolution in Iran or tel Aviv will get chipped away.
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Chipped away with what? Israel isn't gonna invade Iran. Just bomb their military and nuclear to shreds. Or do you see otherwise?
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18-06-2025, 23:47
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
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Iran has 10x the population of Israel and is hard to invade because of mountains.
Either there is revolution in Iran or tel Aviv will get chipped away.
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You’re comparing apples and pears.
Population is not relevant when the exchange that has been taking place is missiles. The relevant metrics are technology, industrial capacity and capable allies willing to sell you what you can’t produce domestically. Exactly how do you envisage Iran ‘chipping away’ at Israel? Iran itself had hoped to do so via Hamas and Hezbollah, not via some long march through northern Iraq and Syria. Did you notice that wasn’t quite working out for them?
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19-06-2025, 05:21
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
I envision this https://youtu.be/p4Me9G3hPTE?
Population density is very relevant. But I'm not going to get into a long debate. We will see soon enough.
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19-06-2025, 07:50
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Re: Israel v Iran conflict
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I envision this https://youtu.be/p4Me9G3hPTE?
Population density is very relevant. But I'm not going to get into a long debate. We will see soon enough. |
Now you’re shifting the goalposts.
Population size (which you clearly meant in your earlier post) is not the same thing as population density. And in any case, the entire population of Israel would have to be at ground zero for one of those missiles to wipe them out.
Iran’s missiles don’t have anccurate targeting capabilities. They are little more than terror weapons. They cause spectacular but highly localised destruction of whatever they happen to land on. Of the 400 or so launched, about 10-15% have got through, and killed a couple of dozen people. The 1967 ‘six day war’ killed 776 soldiers and civilians.
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