Starmer’s chronicles

[Russ]

Oh absolutely. This a stink that will follow him around for a long time.

[Itshim]

Co-conspirators will know that Starmer’s deal to provide “shorter airport queues this summer” with an agreement to open E-gate use for European countries is potemkin and useless on a practical level. The EU is digitising entry anyway for non-EU nationals from October under its EES system…

Under that system all non-EU entries will be photographed and fingerprinted. Shadow business secretary Andrew Griffith has taken up the issue and asked the government if the UK would be exempt from that EES system and got the reply from Nick Thomas Symonds: “UK national travellers will be required to register in the EU’s Entry/Exit System (EES)… Implementation of the EES is a matter for the EU and its Member States, and subject to ongoing EU legislative processes.” Which formally confirms that the surrender deal does nothing to shorten queues…

There are no confirmed E-gate deals with member states for the summer and the EES is coming in the Autumn. Hey, at least we lose those fishing rights…

Co-conspirators?

You’re not trying to pass off Guido copy as your own I hope?

Originally Posted by Itshim

Co-conspirators will know that Starmer’s deal to provide “shorter airport queues this summer” with an agreement to open E-gate use for European countries is potemkin and useless on a practical level. The EU is digitising entry anyway for non-EU nationals from October under its EES system…

Under that system all non-EU entries will be photographed and fingerprinted. Shadow business secretary Andrew Griffith has taken up the issue and asked the government if the UK would be exempt from that EES system and got the reply from Nick Thomas Symonds: “UK national travellers will be required to register in the EU’s Entry/Exit System (EES)… Implementation of the EES is a matter for the EU and its Member States, and subject to ongoing EU legislative processes.” Which formally confirms that the surrender deal does nothing to shorten queues…

There are no confirmed E-gate deals with member states for the summer and the EES is coming in the Autumn. Hey, at least we lose those fishing rights…

Can you provide a link to where Starmer promised access to this in the agreement - I can’t find it anywhere?

There’s this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czdy3r6q9mgo

When Brexit ended free movement, UK travellers were shut out from using EU e-gates. Now the EU Commission says the there is no legal barrier to stopping UK citizens using them after the roll-out of its long-awaited digital border checks system, which is due to come into effect in October

Each EU country still decides if UK citizens can use e-gates at its ports but the government has promised to work to expand access "as soon as possible"

Also, we didn’t "lose those fishing rights" - we’ve still got what Boris Johnson agreed to…

[tweetiepooh]

Originally Posted by thenry

Why the uproar. It was to be means tested so those vulnerable would be protected.

Because there are lots of pensioners who are asset rich and cash poor, especially those in the South-East and even more so in London. They can have a small property that is worth a great deal. They can also have large pension pots that maybe (because of the rules when accessed) don't bring in a large income. The means testing needs to be based on income not on assets, and income needs to be adjusted by region etc.
Would the cost to maintain and handle the new system outrun savings on just paying out to all?

[thenry]

I only posted due to the fact some pensioners put that allowance towards a freaking holiday which I class as benefit fraud. The chancellor was therefore right to do something about it but as everything "we learn from our mistakes" so sadly some are on the wrong end of the learning curve.

Originally Posted by thenry

I only posted due to the fact some pensioners put that allowance towards a freaking holiday which I class as benefit fraud. The chancellor was therefore right to do something about it but as everything "we learn from our mistakes" so sadly some are on the wrong end of the learning curve.

It doesn’t matter what you class it as though, does it? “Fraud” is an allegation of criminal conduct, which it isn’t.

It looks like the way they'll do this now is add it as a benefit and then use the tax system to claw back those after a threshold naturally. Quite messy

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by thenry

I only posted due to the fact some pensioners put that allowance towards a freaking holiday which I class as benefit fraud. The chancellor was therefore right to do something about it but as everything "we learn from our mistakes" so sadly some are on the wrong end of the learning curve.

The only person on the wrong end of the learning curve is Reeves, she doesn't have the skill or experience to do the job that she's conned her way into

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

The only person on the wrong end of the learning curve is Reeves, she doesn't have the skill or experience to do the job that she's conned her way into

That video with her giving the speech at the train manufacturer’s is priceless.

That man on the left speaks for the nation without saying a word.

Sorry for the X link.

https://x.com/hjb_news__/status/1930...381396905?s=61

[thenry]

Why can't he stand still?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by thenry

Why can't he stand still?

He's trying not to drown in bull shyte

[thenry]

The whole of the UK should therefore be in his position? They are all full of shit.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by thenry

Why can't he stand still?

My first reaction too. I was quite dizzy by the end of that video!
Was she reading from an autocue?

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Chris

Co-conspirators?

You’re not trying to pass off Guido copy as your own I hope?

No , just missed coping that part , would never claim to be that articulate