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 Er - £1 billion per week it costs to house/feed these undocumented people of fighting age. A waste of taxpayers’ money? Or what?
 |  Even the Mail and the Reformgraph don’t exaggerate as much as you - last month, they quoted £4 million per day, which doesn’t add up to £1 billion per week…
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					Originally Posted by Sephiroth  It's Hugh’s go-to method to demand evidence in the face of the bleeding obvious.
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					Originally Posted by Hugh  Even the Mail and the Reformgraph don’t exaggerate as much as you - last month, they quoted £4 million per day, which doesn’t add up to £1 billion per week… |  Somewhere in Dubai, Richard Tice is looking for the magic calculator he left at Heathrow....
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					Originally Posted by 1andrew1  We've sacrificed the ability to return unlawful migrants to France and gained sovereignty. |  Are you suggesting half have already claimed asylum elsewhere ?
 
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		|  02-06-2025, 18:45 | #1340 |  
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					Originally Posted by Sephiroth   The legal hurdles to Rwanda had been overcome, subject to any last minute appeal by a deportee.  Ignoring the law has never been a UK government option.
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					Originally Posted by 1andrew1  Was never intended to happen, it was just a scam to fool people into voting Conservative. It was an expensive waste of tax payers' money. |  Don’t be daft, Andrew.
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					Originally Posted by Russ  So you're in favour of a government being able to ignore the law as it sees fit in order to force policies through?
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			Does the fact that we've left the EU make it any easier or harder to resolve this problem?
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					Originally Posted by OLD BOY  Don’t be daft, Andrew.
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 No, and again you are reading things into my posts that are not there.
 
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					Originally Posted by RichardCoulter  Does the fact that we've left the EU make it any easier or harder to resolve this problem? |  See https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1335 |  
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					Originally Posted by RichardCoulter  Does the fact that we've left the EU make it any easier or harder to resolve this problem? |  Leaving the EU has ensured that we don’t have to accept their allocated quota of immigrants.
 
The ECHR is our main stumbling block, but we need to extract ourselves from all these old international conventions that prevent us from taking appropriate measures to control immigration. The Agreements may have seemed all right when originally drafted, but their meaning has been warped and twisted out of recognition through liberal court decisions over the years.
		 
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		|  02-06-2025, 21:58 | #1346 |  
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					Originally Posted by OLD BOY  Leaving the EU has ensured that we don’t have to accept their allocated quota of immigrants.
 The ECHR is our main stumbling block, but we need to extract ourselves from all these old international conventions that prevent us from taking appropriate measures to control immigration. The Agreements may have seemed all right when originally drafted, but their meaning has been warped and twisted out of recognition through liberal court decisions over the years.
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			U-Turn time.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czr8e5g5vp8o 
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		| Changes to the winter fuel payment to allow more people to receive it will be in place this year, the chancellor has said. 
 Rachel Reeves said more people would qualify for the allowance "this winter", however details of the changes and who will be eligible remain unclear.
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			Why the uproar. It was to be means tested so those vulnerable would be protected.
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		|  04-06-2025, 20:05 | #1349 |  
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					Originally Posted by Paul   |  A u-turn would be a complete reversal (see: Tories allowing free school dinners after intervention from Marcus Rashford). This seems to me more of a lowering of the threshold in response to public backlash.  Similar, but not the same.
		 
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			Whatever you call it, is a bad misjudgment by Starmer that's lost him a lot of goodwill and votes.
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