Russia has invaded Ukraine

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Damn - one less chance of the EU imploding.

You're in bad company there. Seph. Time to give up supporting Putin's candidates and get behind Zelensky and the EU.

[Sephiroth]

I’m totally behind Zelensky but I want the EUI to implode - obviously.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I’m totally behind Zelensky but I want the EUI to implode - obviously.

Since 2022, it's become clear that these two beliefs are diametrically opposed.

The EU exploding now would severely handicap Zelensky.

Time to reflect on which is most important to you - Zelensky succeeding or the EU imploding.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Since 2022, it's become clear that these two beliefs are diametrically opposed.

The EU exploding now would severely handicap Zelensky.

Time to reflect on which is most important to you - Zelensky succeeding or the EU imploding.

EU imploding! EU won’t implode for some time (if at all) so Zelensky might be able to continue relying on the EU.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

EU imploding! EU won’t implode for some time (if at all) so Zelensky might be able to continue relying on the EU.

If Ukranian independence is your priority, you should only desire the EU to implode when Russia ceases to be a threat to Ukraine.

However, if you value the end of the EU ahead of Ukranian independence, then you would be happy to see the EU implode tomorrow.

[Sephiroth]

EU imploding is my priority. But it is a desire only. So, to repeat, Ukraine can continue to rely on its current supporters (which exclude Slovakia and Hungary).

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If Ukranian independence is your priority, you should only desire the EU to implode when Russia ceases to be a threat to Ukraine.

However, if you value the end of the EU ahead of Ukranian independence, then you would be happy to see the EU implode tomorrow.

European countries can still co-operate on things with which they agree. They don’t need the EU to achieve that.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

European countries can still co-operate on things with which they agree. They don’t need the EU to achieve that.

An implosion of the EU would be magic to Putin's ears. Countries falling out with one another are barriers to co-operation.

[thenry]

while they sit in a tub bath

WARNING has swearing

https://youtu.be/0-2WDS2u4tw?feature=shared

https://archive.ph/IQ11d

‘Russian planes burning en masse’: Ukraine claims huge airbase drone strike

Kyiv sources claim to have ‘destroyed more than 40 bombers’ on the same day as two rail bridges were blown up in Russia

Ukraine claimed to have hit more than 40 Russian long-range nuclear-capable bombers at a military airbase in Siberia, in what would be the most audacious drone attack by Kyiv on Russian aviation.

Ukraine’s security service, the SBU, boasted that “enemy strategic bombers are burning en masse in Russia”, accompanied by video showing aircraft in flames at the Belaya airbase in Siberia, more than 2,600 miles from the frontline in Ukraine.

The SBU said Ukraine had hit the planes during “a large-scale special operation aimed at destroying enemy bomber aircraft,” including Tu-95 and Tu-22 strategic bombers, which Russia uses to fire long-range missiles at Ukraine.

They seem to have used Russian civilian logistics against them, duping truckers to drive specially modified shipping containers to locations near the target airbases, whereupon swarms of short-range drones launched from the containers.

If Russia has lost anything close to 40 strategic bombers, it has suffered a catastrophic loss and Ukrainian tactics will be studied for years to come. In fact the MoD should be studying it right now, because whatever we’re about to spend 3% of our own GDP on must take into account an enemy’s potential ability to do exactly this to us.

And the TU-95s (large long-range strategic bombers) and the TU-22M3s (supersonic long-range bombers) aren’t being manufactured any more, so they can’t be replaced…

Addendum - as these planes were also part of the Russian nuclear deterrent triad (land, air, and sea, and the Russian boomer subs aren’t on continuous patrol, unlike the U.K. and the USA), I would imagine there’s a lot of re-planning taking place to balance out the loss of a substantial part of the air delivery side of Instant Sunshine…

[papa smurf]

sky news video
https://news.sky.com/story/special-u...-says-13377779

[1andrew1]

Taco comforted him over a phone call so Putin is apparently feeling less distraught.