Starmer’s chronicles

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Possibly, Old Boy, possibly.

But what are your definitions of high levels of immigration? And acceptable levels?

Acceptable levels are related to the skills we need to bring into the country and under our asylum system. You can’t really put a number on it, because this varies over time. As a general rule, if people do not have the skills that employers need, they shouldn’t be accepted into this country. We must also bear in mind that we need labour where there are shortage areas, such as in farming.

I do believe we have many people claiming benefits who could go out to work, with many abusing the system. I’ve seen it first hand, so I know it’s true. Those people should be refused benefit if they are clearly trying to avoid getting a job or getting trained for one. That in itself should help to bring down the numbers.

We should aim to steadily reduce immigration until our population reduces to a level whereby our residents population can get accommodation and our public services are able to function more efficiently.

Illegal immigration must stop and the government must introduce laws that enable us to turn away anyone who enters the country illegally with no right of appeal.

One other exception is students. I do think we should welcome students into this country who are paying for a university course. However, once their studies are complete, they shouldn’t be return to their country. We also need to keep an eye on them to ensure that they do not absent themselves from their studies, which I believe happens a lot.

I just want common sense to prevail and to recognise that we can’t take in everyone who wants to be here. Starmer’s latest plan to pay landlords to take in illegal immigrants will only serve to deprive our own people from getting accommodation. How is that right?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Acceptable levels are related to the skills we need to bring into the country and under our asylum system. You can’t really put a number on it, because this varies over time. As a general rule, if people do not have the skills that employers need, they shouldn’t be accepted into this country. We must also bear in mind that we need labour where there are shortage areas, such as in farming.

I do believe we have many people claiming benefits who could go out to work, with many abusing the system. I’ve seen it first hand, so I know it’s true. Those people should be refused benefit if they are clearly trying to avoid getting a job or getting trained for one. That in itself should help to bring down the numbers.

We should aim to steadily reduce immigration until our population reduces to a level whereby our residents population can get accommodation and our public services are able to function more efficiently.

Illegal immigration must stop and the government must introduce laws that enable us to turn away anyone who enters the country illegally with no right of appeal.

One other exception is students. I do think we should welcome students into this country who are paying for a university course. However, once their studies are complete, they shouldn’t be return to their country. We also need to keep an eye on them to ensure that they do not absent themselves from their studies, which I believe happens a lot.


I just want common sense to prevail and to recognise that we can’t take in everyone who wants to be here. Starmer’s latest plan to pay landlords to take in illegal immigrants will only serve to deprive our own people from getting accommodation. How is that right?

fyi

the University is required to report you to UKVI if you break the terms and conditions of your visa. This requirement applies to all universities, not just the University of Sheffield. You can ensure that you comply with the terms and conditions of your student visa by doing the following:

Enrol for every year of your studies. If you are unable to enrol, you must inform the University so that we know where you are.
Keep good attendance at all teaching sessions. If you are in the UK on a student visa you must study full time.
Do not take a break from your studies unless this is absolutely necessary
Do not work more hours than permitted. Your visa will tell you what hours you can work, if any.
The University will notify the Home Office if:

You do not register
You are absent, without authorisation, from teaching sessions
You withdraw from your course
You take an authorised leave of absence
You change your course of study
We know that you have broken the terms and conditions of your visa

https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/internat...plication/faqs

The above is from Sheffield University, but all other Unis have to do the same in order to be able to issue CASs - if the Unis don’t do this, they lose the right to issue CASs, so foreign students couldn’t attend.

[Itshim]

Se that asylum seeker's are charge with spying , really need to get more in , after all we haven't spent that much on them have we

[telegramsam]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Acceptable levels are related to the skills we need to bring into the country and under our asylum system. You can’t really put a number on it, because this varies over time. As a general rule, if people do not have the skills that employers need, they shouldn’t be accepted into this country. We must also bear in mind that we need labour where there are shortage areas, such as in farming.

I do believe we have many people claiming benefits who could go out to work, with many abusing the system. I’ve seen it first hand, so I know it’s true. Those people should be refused benefit if they are clearly trying to avoid getting a job or getting trained for one. That in itself should help to bring down the numbers.

We should aim to steadily reduce immigration until our population reduces to a level whereby our residents population can get accommodation and our public services are able to function more efficiently.

Illegal immigration must stop and the government must introduce laws that enable us to turn away anyone who enters the country illegally with no right of appeal.

One other exception is students. I do think we should welcome students into this country who are paying for a university course. However, once their studies are complete, they shouldn’t be return to their country. We also need to keep an eye on them to ensure that they do not absent themselves from their studies, which I believe happens a lot.

I just want common sense to prevail and to recognise that we can’t take in everyone who wants to be here. Starmer’s latest plan to pay landlords to take in illegal immigrants will only serve to deprive our own people from getting accommodation. How is that right?

So what about the jobs that are low level skills that British people don't want to do but foreigners are willing to do?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Se that asylum seeker's are charge with spying , really need to get more in , after all we haven't spent that much on them have we

Don't worry they'll probably get a suspended sentence and of course we can't deport them it's against their human rights

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by telegramsam

So what about the jobs that are low level skills that British people don't want to do but foreigners are willing to do?

That's where the government seems to be getting it wrong - as in kneejerk reaction. I'm talking about permitted/visa entry. It is wishful thinking to suppose that this new training budget will deliver carers (e.g.).

What is even more wrong, is the NI-free influx of Indian workers, many of them talented on decent salaries. The employers will gladly save on their NI bill.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Don't worry they'll probably get a suspended sentence and of course we can't deport them it's against their human rights

So true need to leave ECHR

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Itshim

So true need to leave ECHR

… and/or sort out that the immigration judges are also the immigration lefty lawyers.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Itshim

So true need to leave ECHR

Yep and lose the right to a fair trial, the right to free from torture, free from prosecution, the right to life, the right to free expression, right to privacy, right to be free from inhumane treatment etc etc

But a small price to pay to get rid of some brown people eh?

[telegramsam]

Originally Posted by Russ

Yep and lose the right to a fair trial, the right to free from torture, free from prosecution, the right to life, the right to free expression, right to privacy, right to be free from inhumane treatment etc etc

But a small price to pay to get rid of some brown people eh?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Russ

Yep and lose the right to a fair trial, the right to free from torture, free from prosecution, the right to life, the right to free expression, right to privacy, right to be free from inhumane treatment etc etc

But a small price to pay to get rid of some brown people eh?

The right to spout bullshit?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Russ

Yep and lose the right to a fair trial, the right to free from torture, free from prosecution, the right to life, the right to free expression, right to privacy, right to be free from inhumane treatment etc etc

But a small price to pay to get rid of some brown people eh?

Would those be the people who are paid for by taking away the winter fuel allowance?

As for your list - this is the UK, not Russia or Iran.

Btw, it would be silly to leave the ECHR if we don't at the same time leave the UNHRC. However, we should work out careful legal derogations from the provisions that keep the lefty lawyers in funds paid for by hard working people.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Would those be the people who are paid for by taking away the winter fuel allowance?

As for your list - this is the UK, not Russia or Iran.

Btw, it would be silly to leave the ECHR if we don't at the same time leave the UNHRC. However, we should work out careful legal derogations from the provisions that keep the lefty lawyers in funds paid for by hard working people.

and pensioners, many of us pay income tax.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As for your list - this is the UK, not Russia or Iran.

Interesting choice of countries given that we would join Russia (and Belarus) as the only European countries outside of the ECHR.

Still, I admire your optimism that no UK government would abuse the new found ‘freedoms’ they’d have if we left the ECHR.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Russ

Interesting choice of countries given that we would join Russia (and Belarus) as the only European countries outside of the ECHR.

Still, I admire your optimism that no UK government would abuse the new found ‘freedoms’ they’d have if we left the ECHR.

Yea they'll be locking you up for texting next