Starmer’s chronicles

[papa smurf]

looks like cutting down on legal migration, and what about the illegal migration what's happening with that other than empty words.

[Sephiroth]

Not only that, Papa, but the number of fighting age illegals exceeds the size of the British Army. It’s coming if not already here.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Not only that, Papa, but the number of fighting age illegals exceeds the size of the British Army. It’s coming if not already here.

400 boat invaders today and it's only lunch time

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Not only that, Papa, but the number of fighting age illegals exceeds the size of the British Army. It’s coming if not already here.

You really need to stop reading "Great Replacement Theory" paranoid fantasies…

[papa smurf]

528 small boat invaders today and it's only 2pm

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You really need to stop reading "Great Replacement Theory" paranoid fantasies…

You might as well start facing east now.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You might as well start facing east now.

When I go to church, I already do…

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

When I go to church, I already do…

Keep praying. It's your only hope. Your glib answers will bite you back one day unless something drastic is done to stop the enemy within.

Starmer is not that person and soon, nobody will be able to stop it. I'll bet the Iranian embassy basement is overflowing with weapons for handing out.

[papa smurf]

now 600 small boat invaders today and another boat on the way

---------- Post added at 16:20 ---------- Previous post was at 15:38 ----------

Police are investigating a fire at the prime minister's house in north London.

The blaze at Sir Keir Starmer's property happened in the early hours of this morning.

https://news.sky.com/story/fire-at-s...olice-13366745

[papa smurf]

Man arrested over arson attacks after fire at Sir Keir Starmer's house
Police have confirmed the Met's Counter Terrorism Command is leading the investigation because of the "connections with a high-profile public figure".


https://news.sky.com/story/man-arres...house-13366942

quick response

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Man arrested over arson attacks after fire at Sir Keir Starmer's house
Police have confirmed the Met's Counter Terrorism Command is leading the investigation because of the "connections with a high-profile public figure".


https://news.sky.com/story/man-arres...house-13366942

quick response

Thought it heard houses ,( two he owns)

Originally Posted by Itshim

Thought it heard houses ,( two he owns)

You may have misheard - one of the properties was a flat he lived in 28 years ago…

[Sephiroth]

Another gem of a newspaper article (from yesterday’s Standard). It methodically explains the government’s finance problem - the ratio of working age people to retired people.

On a recent edition of the BBC’s Question Time, at around 24 minutes, panellist Alastair Campbell said: “Because we’re an ageing population, when I was growing up – and people were getting their pension – there were 20 people of working age for every pensioner. And they were working. Now, you’ve got fewer than three.”

Mr Campbell also said that his podcast co-host Rory Stewart had made the same point a week earlier. On the previous week’s edition, at around 10 minutes, Mr Stewart said: “When the welfare state was set up, there were 20 working people for every one retired person. Today, there are fewer than three working people for every retired person.”

Evaluation

Based on the most recently available statistics, there are slightly more than three working age people for every pensioner in the UK. It is projected to fall below three in the decades to come.

This has reduced since the introduction of the basic state pension in 1948, when it was around five working age people per pensioner. During Mr Campbell’s youth in the 1960s it was a ratio of around 4:1. If Mr Stewart places the creation of the welfare state in the early 20th century when the first state pension was established, then his figure appears to be broadly accurate.

The facts

The Office for National Statistics keeps track of the estimated population of the UK. In a dataset covering 1838 to 2023, the ONS recorded 43,199,200 people aged between 16 and 65 in the UK as of mid-2022. This is the working age population, as the state pension age is 66(rising to 67 by 2028). At the same time, there were 12,006,567 people aged 66 and over. This equates to 3.6 working age people per pensioner, or alternatively 278 pensioners for every 1,000 people of working age.

A government review into the state pension age in 2023 projected that this ratio would rise from 280 pensioners per 1,000 people of working age to around 393 pensioners. This would be the equivalent of 2.5 people of working age for every pensioner. While this is “fewer than three” as claimed by Mr Campbell and Mr Stewart, this figure is a projection for the year 2070.

The ONS data breaking down the UK population by age goes back to 1971, but it does record the population for Great Britain in 1961 (thus excluding Northern Ireland from the data). As Mr Campbell was born in 1957, he could reasonably be said to have been “growing up” at this time.

In 1961, the state pension age was 65 for men and 60 for women. Working age men and women were counted at 31,107,039, and those over state pension age at 7,566,439. This is equivalent to 4.1 working age people per pensioner, far from the 20 that Mr Campbell claimed. The total UK population would have to have reached around 160 million to provide 20 working age people for every pensioner.

Mr Stewart’s point was slightly different. He pegged the ratio of 20:1 to the introduction of the welfare state. This could mean 1948, when the NHS was created and the Basic State Pension introduced. Or it could mean 1909, when the Old Age Pension was created. And although he used the phrase “working people”, for this analysis it is assumed he meant working age people rather than those actually employed.

For 1948, the ONS data only covers England and Wales and is divided into bands of five years, for example grouping 16-year-olds into a 15-19 category, and rounded to the nearest thousand. Using this information, the number of working age men and women was 28,367,000. Counting men 65 and over with women who were 60 and over, the number of pensioners stood at 5,811,000. That is 4.9 workers per pensioner. While this does represent a significantly younger population, it is still nowhere near Mr Stewart’s claim.
The same ONS table as the 1948 data goes as far back as 1911, just two years after the introduction of the first state pension. This was paid at the age of 70. There were 23,929,000 people aged between 15 and 69, with just 1,092,000 living past the pensionable age. That would mean there were 22 working age people for every pensioner.

Boy are we up shit creek.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Another gem of a newspaper article (from yesterday’s Standard). It methodically explains the government’s finance problem - the ratio of working age people to retired people.



Boy are we up shit creek.

One thing the government could do is ensure that people who hit retirement age are not forced to retire. That would help a little towards restoring the balance.

It won’t solve the problem of course, but it would certainly help. Some people are willing and capable of carrying on well after retirement age - look at Rupert Murdoch and David Attenborough, for example.

But not everyone is able to do so because their employers like to invest in younger people.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

One thing the government could do is ensure that people who hit retirement age are not forced to retire.

They did, in 2011.

Employers used to be able to force workers to retire at 65 (known as the Default Retirement Age), but this law was scrapped in April 2011, following a campaign by Age UK.

This means that you can keep working beyond 65 if you want or need to.

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information...etirement-age/