07-05-2025, 14:00
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Miliband’s nonsense has played just as squarely into the election results as the stiffing by Starmer of the pensioners.
In today’s PM questions, Kemi successfully skewered Starmer who referred to notes on every question without going near an answer. I doubt that the swing voters watch PM’s questions, but the media will have their regular weekly fun pulling that liar apart.
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It's clear he hates pensioners and intends to fund the lunatic Miliband until the uk is destroyed
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Meanwhile net stupid costs set to escalate
https://news.sky.com/story/orsted-pu...enges-13363134
Orsted pulls plug on Hornsea 4 windfarm, blaming a surge in challenges
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07-05-2025, 16:19
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
It's clear he hates pensioners and intends to fund the lunatic Miliband until the uk is destroyed
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Meanwhile net stupid costs set to escalate
https://news.sky.com/story/orsted-pu...enges-13363134
Orsted pulls plug on Hornsea 4 windfarm, blaming a surge in challenges
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Renewables are amongst the cheapest energy sources and give us energy sovereignty. Be wary of unreliable news sources that advocate otherwise. They want us beholden to Johnny Foreigner.
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07-05-2025, 16:35
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Renewables are amongst the cheapest energy sources and give us energy sovereignty. Be wary of unreliable news sources that advocate otherwise. They want us beholden to Johnny Foreigner.
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I'm disappointed with your reply. Renewables need wind and light (see a calm night followed by a calm day for problem details). Your statement is too glib when you look at the realities.
We can assume that the government has charted wind locations from a strategic perspective so that eventually there can be continuous wind power sources. But have they tied that into consumption demand timelines, grid connectivity challenges, technology to overcome turbine load shedding, timeline risk assessments?
In the meantime, we should exploit our own carbon resources as an insurance against timeline risk rather than hypocritically buy carbon products from elsewhere.
Do you agree with me?
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07-05-2025, 16:43
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
I'm disappointed with your reply. Renewables need wind and light (see a calm night followed by a calm day for problem details). Your statement is too glib when you look at the realities.
We can assume that the government has charted wind locations from a strategic perspective so that eventually there can be continuous wind power sources. But have they tied that into consumption demand timelines, grid connectivity challenges, technology to overcome turbine load shedding, timeline risk assessments?
In the meantime, we should exploit our own carbon resources as an insurance against timeline risk rather than hypocritically buy carbon products from elsewhere.
Do you agree with me?
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No.
We should be exploiting whatever’s left of our expertise in nuclear energy. Thankfully, while we shamefully allowed our civil capability to wither to the point that we had to ask EDF to build new mega-scale power stations for us, our military nuclear capability means we can yet get back in the game with small and medium sized modular reactor plants derived from the designs used in our submarines. And in the next 6-7 years we will have expanded our uranium enrichment capabilities to the point where we can securely fuel them as well.
Oil and gas is traded on international markets wherever it is produced and it would only ever be nationalised for domestic use only in a dire existential emergency. The fact that we have plenty of it under our seas does not therefore offer us the hassle-free energy security you seem to think it does.
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07-05-2025, 17:01
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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No.
We should be exploiting whatever’s left of our expertise in nuclear energy. Thankfully, while we shamefully allowed our civil capability to wither to the point that we had to ask EDF to build new mega-scale power stations for us, our military nuclear capability means we can yet get back in the game with small and medium sized modular reactor plants derived from the designs used in our submarines. And in the next 6-7 years we will have expanded our uranium enrichment capabilities to the point where we can securely fuel them as well.
Oil and gas is traded on international markets wherever it is produced and it would only ever be nationalised for domestic use only in a dire existential emergency. The fact that we have plenty of it under our seas does not therefore offer us the hassle-free energy security you seem to think it does.
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Would you be happy to have this miracle of modern science next to your house?
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07-05-2025, 17:03
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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No.
We should be exploiting whatever’s left of our expertise in nuclear energy. Thankfully, while we shamefully allowed our civil capability to wither to the point that we had to ask EDF to build new mega-scale power stations for us, our military nuclear capability means we can yet get back in the game with small and medium sized modular reactor plants derived from the designs used in our submarines. And in the next 6-7 years we will have expanded our uranium enrichment capabilities to the point where we can securely fuel them as well.
Oil and gas is traded on international markets wherever it is produced and it would only ever be nationalised for domestic use only in a dire existential emergency. The fact that we have plenty of it under our seas does not therefore offer us the hassle-free energy security you seem to think it does.
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Of course, yes, on the nuclear point. But it takes decades to bring a nuclear power station from zero to operation. Sealing coal mines and gas wells, etc, is reckless.
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07-05-2025, 18:28
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Would you be happy to have this miracle of modern science next to your house?
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I have taken my summer holidays just a few miles from Hunterston A & B every year for the past couple of decades. They’re in the background of most beach photos we have of our kids. So … yes.
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Of course, yes, on the nuclear point. But it takes decades to bring a nuclear power station from zero to operation. Sealing coal mines and gas wells, etc, is reckless.
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The point of Rolls Royce’s SMRs is that they *don’t* take decades to bring on stream. You don’t have to design a massive bespoke site for each one because they are small enough to be contained on a modest sized piece of land. The idea is you build more of them, in more places.
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07-05-2025, 18:53
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Of course, yes, on the nuclear point. But it takes decades to bring a nuclear power station from zero to operation. Sealing coal mines and gas wells, etc, is reckless.
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Chris is correct and I get your point about nuclear power stations but Chris wasn't referrring to those.
Perhaps see here. https://www.rolls-royce-smr.com/
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07-05-2025, 19:56
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Renewables are amongst the cheapest energy sources
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That is not reflected in our energy bills, and until it is they will be rightly looked upon sceptically.
Hornsea 4 has just been cancelled by Orested.
We should be fracking, exploiting new gas and oil fields, building nuclear…..we should be doing everything.
If we don’t lower energy costs the economy is fugazi.
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Oil and gas is traded on international markets wherever it is produced and it would only ever be nationalised for domestic use only in a dire existential emergency. The fact that we have plenty of it under our seas does not therefore offer us the hassle-free energy security you seem to think it does.
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As a sovereign nation we can do what we like. If that means invoking legislation that a licence to exploit oil and gas in the U.K. EEZ comes with a stipulation that a % of output is supplied to the U.K. at a reduction…..or any other hair brained scheme.
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07-05-2025, 20:20
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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That is not reflected in our energy bills, and until it is they will be rightly looked upon sceptically.
Hornsea 4 has just been cancelled by Orested.
We should be fracking, exploiting new gas and oil fields, building nuclear…..we should be doing everything.
If we don’t lower energy costs the economy is fugazi.
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As a sovereign nation we can do what we like. If that means invoking legislation that a licence to exploit oil and gas in the U.K. EEZ comes with a stipulation that a % of output is supplied to the U.K. at a reduction…..or any other hair brained scheme.
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We can indeed do what we like. International norms however constrain us, as they constrain everyone else. Diverting oil and gas to domestic supply outwith a major emergency comes with serious reputational risks that generate political and financial consequences. So we can, and also we can’t.
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07-05-2025, 20:43
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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That is not reflected in our energy bills, and until it is they will be rightly looked upon sceptically.
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They can be viewed sceptically, but not rightly. The price of electricity in the UK is based upon that electricity derived from gas.
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Gas sets the price of electricity, because the electricity price in every half hour period is set by the marginal cost of the last generating unit to be turned off to meet demand – which is invariably a gas power plant with high marginal costs.
To provide an analogy, think of a penalty shootout in a sporting competition. A team will select a list of individuals in order of preference, with the best individuals selected first (i.e., renewables). But it’s the individual who steps up last who has the final say, deciding the fate of the result.
The problem we have at the moment is that whilst renewable capacity has grown significantly, natural gas is still responsible for 38% of our electricity generation in the UK.
When we have periods of low winds for example, the system will often turn to gas generators to fill that demand. But that comes at a high price, and even more so recently with the record prices on the wholesale gas market. As we move to a high renewable powered electricity system, it doesn’t make sense to have gas generators setting the price.
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https://www.goodenergy.co.uk/blog/wh...ricity-prices/
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07-05-2025, 20:56
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
Er - we must have electricity. This comes before worrying about the price of gas.
Maybe the SMRs will save us - but when are they?
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07-05-2025, 21:42
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Er - we must have electricity. This comes before worrying about the price of gas.
Maybe the SMRs will save us - but when are they?
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No one is saying we don't need electricity. Just at the moment the price of electricity is set by the price of gas.
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08-05-2025, 07:53
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
Trump set to announce UK-US trade deal: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn91dxzv4pnt
Brance yourselves, this will contain a lot of stuff we don't like
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08-05-2025, 08:01
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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like Mc donalds /KFC/ swimming pool chicken/ royd rage beef /exploding cars/piss weak beer......
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