TV Licence “Unenforceable”?

[thenry]

Nandy said: "We recognise there are problems with the licence fee. Fewer and fewer people are paying it.

"It's unenforceable and, particularly, I've been very concerned about the way it's been enforced in the past, with women - particularly vulnerable women - targeted for enforcement action, and the BBC itself has accepted that."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crrz18882ygo

unenforceable yet many do still get taken to court

[Taf]

And what of the "vulnerable men" ?

Originally Posted by thenry

unenforceable yet many do still get taken to court

I’d think twice about taking anything Lisa Nandy says too seriously. She did a politics degree, went straight from uni to work as a researcher for an MP and then became one herself. She has no experience of anything outside of the Labour Party bubble and has a track record of making hare-brained statements based on whatever activist nonsense she’s been exposed to.

TVL evasion is a criminal offence, it is enforceable, and is enforced against around 1,000 people every week.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Taf

And what of the "vulnerable men" ?

Men tend not to be targeted by the cowardly "enforcement" officers in the same way women are. Most "enforcement " officers are men . It has been seen on a few videos. The only way to deal with them is to say "no thank you " and close the door

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Originally Posted by Chris

I’d think twice about taking anything Lisa Nandy says too seriously. She did a politics degree, went straight from uni to work as a researcher for an MP and then became one herself. She has no experience of anything outside of the Labour Party bubble and has a track record of making hare-brained statements based on whatever activist nonsense she’s been exposed to.

TVL evasion is a criminal offence, it is enforceable, and is enforced against around 1,000 people every week.

Only those that speak to the guys at the door . I do not watch live TV or use Iplayer but I will not speak to them. Most court cases are heard without the defendant and often you get no chance to defend yourself. The letters they send and everything is aimed to scare and intimidate you and only in the small print does it offer a guide as to why you would not need one

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Men tend not to be targeted by the cowardly "enforcement" officers in the same way women are. Most "enforcement " officers are men . It has been seen on a few videos. The only way to deal with them is to say "no thank you " and close the door

How can they be "targeted"? Do homes have a sign saying "I don't pay for a TV licence and no women live here?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by nomadking

How can they be "targeted"? Do homes have a sign saying "I don't pay for a TV licence and no women live here?

Women aren't specifically targeted as such as each morning TVL Inspectors are given a list of properties to visit, regardless of who lives there.

However, because women are most likely to be at home (child care, most lone parents are women etc) when they call, it is the case that women are more likely to be caught and prosecuted.

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Men tend not to be targeted by the cowardly "enforcement" officers in the same way women are. Most "enforcement " officers are men . It has been seen on a few videos. The only way to deal with them is to say "no thank you " and close the door

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Only those that speak to the guys at the door . I do not watch live TV or use Iplayer but I will not speak to them. Most court cases are heard without the defendant and often you get no chance to defend yourself. The letters they send and everything is aimed to scare and intimidate you and only in the small print does it offer a guide as to why you would not need one

The question of fairness is a reasonable one but it is also not the same question as whether the TV licence is legally enforceable - it is, and people thinking it isn’t is partly why so many people end up in court.

[downquark1]

It isn't efficient to enforce it en-mass and more and more people are trying to get away with not paying.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Women aren't specifically targeted as such as each morning TVL Inspectors are given a list of properties to visit, regardless of who lives there.

However, because women are most likely to be at home (child care, most lone parents are women etc) when they call, it is the case that women are more likely to be caught and prosecuted.

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Prosecution is a last resort. We want to help you avoid this. That’s why you may be offered another option, like a payment plan. If we can do this, we’ll write to you.
This is called an out of court disposal. You may be able to avoid prosecution if you pay in full or sign up to a payment plan and make sufficient payments towards your licence. If this is available, we’ll write to you and tell you how much you need to pay.
However, if you’re offered an out of court disposal and you don’t buy a TV Licence or keep up with your payments, you could be prosecuted.

In how many cases is there a man also present? Only the person responsible for getting a TV Licence is prosecuted. If it's the woman's household, then they are responsible for that.

Originally Posted by nomadking

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In how many cases is there a man also present? Only the person responsible for getting a TV Licence is prosecuted. If it's the woman's household, then they are responsible for that.

In your experience, do couples tend to have the mortgage or tenancy agreement in just the man’s name, just the woman’s name, or jointly?

[noel43]

Originally Posted by Chris

I’d think twice about taking anything Lisa Nandy says too seriously. She did a politics degree, went straight from uni to work as a researcher for an MP and then became one herself. She has no experience of anything outside of the Labour Party bubble and has a track record of making hare-brained statements based on whatever activist nonsense she’s been exposed to.

TVL evasion is a criminal offence, it is enforceable, and is enforced against around 1,000 people every week.

TVL evasion is not a criminal offence, (Not paying tyhe fine is.)

[heero_yuy]

Remember that they have to prove that you are watching live broadcast TV and the ONLY way they can is to gain access to your property and see the equipment ACTUALLY doing it.

Simples: Don't open the door, they have no statuary right of access.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Chris

In your experience, do couples tend to have the mortgage or tenancy agreement in just the man’s name, just the woman’s name, or jointly?

They still have the option of paying.
I should imagine that they can be jointly liable, although only one name can go on the licence.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by nomadking

How can they be "targeted"? Do homes have a sign saying "I don't pay for a TV licence and no women live here?

you can treat people differently when you see who answers. You just put your oar in to stir crap or are you actually that naive ? Linking to TVL just lol

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

you can treat people differently when you see who answers. You just put your oar in to stir crap or are you actually that naive ? Linking to TVL just lol

So are they simply going away if a man answers? Yes or No?
How are they being "targeted"? If there is also a man there, then aren't they jointly liable, just as in a shared property with a joint tenancy. Or is it in that situation they pay and avoid proceedings.
Are women-only households more likely not to pay? If so, then it can be no surprise if more women than men are pursued.