[Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?

[Mauldor]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I will be on the 3M service, and will get nowhere even close to 40GB a month.

Just had a thought there Paul when you wrote that.....
You go to work for 8 hours a day, at this said work I imagine you have access to the Net for the odd Browse (work reasons of course)...Now working on a computer all day means generally when you get home, the last thing you want to do is sit for more hours in front of your own PC at home and continue browsing web sites, downloading etc..

When I worked at a certain place I had access to a 45Mbit line with only two other users on, so I def was not going to be sitting at home downloading stuff (legal I may add) when i can get it in next to no time on that line.

I def think the main bone of contention here (on the whole) is a choice, if NTL bring into practice what they are thinking of doing then even though many wont get effected really by it, they still are not happy as they have not many options (for those poor sods who can only have NTL).

Ref your post Daxx, I also dont give a Hoot myself whatever happens, as i have said, I have a BT line, I am close to a Exchange and I can get upto 2mbit ADSL. I dont swap over yet cos it is not broke as they say - once it does break (caps etc) then I will also Vote with my Wallet - no major problems there...

Last point - still see no Techies have come into the converation ref my request as to the reasons for a cap and how increasing the speed + giving you a Quota is going to help the network out with these so called Heavy Users - if they wanted to be nasty (these Wazez Monkeys) all they got to do is download between 6pm and 10pm say - peak time's - it will cripple the network if enough do it but no much NTL can do about it (or will they also slip that into the mix as well?)

Originally Posted by Mauldor

Just had a thought there Paul when you wrote that.....
You go to work for 8 hours a day, at this said work I imagine you have access to the Net for the odd Browse (work reasons of course)...Now working on a computer all day means generally when you get home, the last thing you want to do is sit for more hours in front of your own PC at home and continue browsing web sites, downloading etc..

Only 8 hours - I wish. and yes, I have web access - i support a load of internet systems

When at home i am always sat in front of my pc, it's in the front room on the desk i sit at. I am on almost all evenings from about 8pm to 2am. My kids are usually on before I get home.

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by Mauldor

I def think the main bone of contention here (on the whole) is a choice, if NTL bring into practice what they are thinking of doing then even though many wont get effected really by it, they still are not happy as they have not many options (for those poor sods who can only have NTL).

there are no poor sods who can only have NTL - you're assuming that those people who cant get ADSL only have the option to use NTL but that isnt true.

if you dont like the NTL caps then www.aol.co.uk will be happy to have your business - they offer a broadband service via cable modem or a BT phone line.

[eshaq786]

Two of the words companies together. How worse can it get?

[daxx]

Originally Posted by Mauldor

Ref your post Daxx, I also dont give a Hoot myself whatever happens, as i have said, I have a BT line, I am close to a Exchange and I can get upto 2mbit ADSL. I dont swap over yet cos it is not broke as they say - once it does break (caps etc) then I will also Vote with my Wallet - no major problems there...

from here http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...47&postcount=3

Originally Posted by Mauldor

I have a sneaky feeling that 2005 will see ADSL on my doorstep with the plan NTL have up there sleeves...Imagine that eh, 256K upload - whoa...

err which one is it or haven't BT made their minds up yet

Currently have 7.5M (4+2+1.5) inbound and 1M (348+348+256) outbound in this household (2 x BT + NTL BB) because its what I can patch together, it's there, I can afford it (although some of it is still under 'blagging rights') and mainly it's my choices and, so to a certain degree, I have already voted. If NTL want to offer me 3M uncapped then one of the other services may be reduced or maybe I'll just try and download the internet or become the local 'warez monkey'

[Chrysalis]

I notice no reply to the points I made, I assume no defense.

Paul and homealone good for you, you wont reach your quota and NTL meet your needs, but that doesnt make them gods, there are many unhappy customers out there.

[mchu6am4]

Hi,

Earlier I was in town where I saw some NTL salesmen selling their products. They were selling the new BB speeds (ie. 1MB starter package @ £15.99/month) etc.

I asked them about the new capping (5GB/month for 1MB) in the new year to which they denied any knowledge of, though they said there is a limit of 1GB/DAY that is not really enforced. They did not believe anything I said.

Is there any truth in this as I was very interested (even at 1GB/day) ???

Comments welcome.

Ash

[BackToMine]

I have no problem with enforcing the limit of 30GB/month for 2Mbit service in Q1 2005 and I encourge all Broadband providers to do exactly the same.

Why would anyone who uses their Cable Broadband connection legally (no-Warez) for home use ever need more than 1GByte/day?

The unlimited home broadband usage era will end within 2005-06 due to P2P users who are nothing more than theives and communists.

I cannot wait for the days of DRM-only media and Palladium-style operating systems.

Originally Posted by mchu6am4

Hi,

Earlier I was in town where I saw some NTL salesmen selling their products. They were selling the new BB speeds (ie. 1MB starter package @ £15.99/month) etc.

I asked them about the new capping (5GB/month for 1MB) in the new year to which they denied any knowledge of, though they said there is a limit of 1GB/DAY that is not really enforced. They did not believe anything I said.

Is there any truth in this as I was very interested (even at 1GB/day) ???

Comments welcome.

Ash

Simon Duffy, ntl's chief executive, confirmed it for us - the usage restrictions for the new speeds.

I am led to believe that ntl will not be enforcing the new caps right away but they will probably be doing so when they launch metered broadband coming sometime next year.

See here for more information.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by BackToMine

Why would anyone who uses their Cable Broadband connection legally (no-Warez) for home use ever need more than 1GByte/day?

I used far more than this in a day when I downloaded half life 2 from steam.

[BackToMine]

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

I used far more than this in a day when I downloaded half life 2 from steam.

Exactly.
You paid for 1GB/day and you've over-used the service. Therefore you must be charged for the extra data.

If you don't like it, go purchase the retail version in the shop.

I didn't say it was impossible to go over 1GB/day with only legal uses. Hell you can download that POS toy operating system called Linux a hundred times. Wouldn't change the fact that you are over-using the service and hurting civil users who use their Broadband connection reasonably.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by BackToMine

Exactly.
You paid for 1GB/day and you've over-used the service. Therefore you must be charged for the extra data.

If you don't like it, go purchase the retail version in the shop.

Um no - if it was enforced to 1gb in a day then i'd split it over more days... obviously.

Originally Posted by BackToMine

I didn't say it was impossible to go over 1GB/day with only legal uses. Hell you can download that POS toy operating system called Linux a hundred times.

And the reason you'd do that is?

edit - you said WHY would someone NEED to do it... I gave you an answer.

Originally Posted by BackToMine

Wouldn't change the fact that you are over-using the service and hurting civil users who use their Broadband connection reasonably.

I DO use my connection reasonably.

[daxx]

Originally Posted by BackToMine

The unlimited home broadband usage era will end within 2005-06 due to P2P users who are nothing more than theives and communists.

I cannot wait for the days of DRM-only media and Palladium-style operating systems.

Just a 'slight mis nomer somewhere in here .

If you wish to make any computer usage reliant on a 'remote' and under sole control of the purveyor then you are encouraging a monopolostic state of affairs with regard to software. This 'is' communisim at its finest example where one is controlled by another person/entity.

Not the way I and indeed many others would wish to work.

P2P is a lot more than 'warez monkeys' or to use your phrase 'theives', their are many legitamate uses for the P2P network, as a quick trawl of any cap thread in this forum will reveal.

[LostintheNW]

Originally Posted by BackToMine

Exactly.
You paid for 1GB/day and you've over-used the service. Therefore you must be charged for the extra data.

If you don't like it, go purchase the retail version in the shop.

I didn't say it was impossible to go over 1GB/day with only legal uses. Hell you can download that POS toy operating system called Linux a hundred times. Wouldn't change the fact that you are over-using the service and hurting civil users who use their Broadband connection reasonably.

So you think its ok for NTL to decide how we can purchase our software? If anyone wishes to purchase online software which they download, they can and should be able to - what gives NTL the right to dictate peoples shopping habits?

Could quite easily take NTL to court and state they are infringing on human rights (the HRA 1998 has been great for things like this!)

Originally Posted by LostintheNW

Could quite easily take NTL to court and state they are infringing on human rights (the HRA 1998 has been great for things like this!)

And here was me thinking this would be a boring Saturday. Big thanks for cheering me up