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[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Russ

And you’re suggesting Reform wouldn’t bring in “professional politicians” if they ever got in to power?

Who might they be? Tory defectors? There are but a very few Tory ex-ministers who are suitable for cabinet service. I mean ordinary people drawn from the professions (other than politics).

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I mean ordinary people drawn from the professions (other than politics).

I had to stare at this for several minutes to try and figure out whether you were being serious or not.

Going on the basis that you probably are, mark this page and mark this date.

There is not a cat's chance in hell that Reform (in the extremely unlikely event they make it into power) would use "ordinary people from the professions" as their cabinet.

If they do, I will eat my own underpants (washed or not, it'll be your choice), record it and post it on here for public amusement or nausea (you decide).

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Russ

The Daily Mail and the Sun are 2 of the most popular newspapers in the UK. Does that automatically make them any good?

Not really. They are popular because they are easy reads at a time when the news in the more serious press is full of doom and gloom.

Popular politicians are those who connect with the popular opinions of the people. Whether they can deliver is a different issue, which can only be tested once elected. As Starmer is showing us all too well.

Originally Posted by Russ

How about the fact he's targeting Downing Street by 2029 when he doesn't have a single policy to hang his hat on to?

Or he's leading this bunch of misfits?

https://news.err.ee/907867/more-than...rving-sentence

Er, Russ. A word in your ear. NO credible political party will divulge their policies four years before a General Election.

His candidates will be hand picked and subject to a vetting process far more rigorous that any of the other main parties have in place. I think you will find he has the last laugh. This isn’t going to be a UKIP Mark II.

Originally Posted by Russ

I'm guessing this will come as news to you but leaving the ECHR won't make it any easier to "send them back". Many people on the right side of politics simply don't understand this.

https://theconversation.com/leaving-...-the-uk-227403

No, abandoning the ECHR alone will not stop the boats, but coupled with amending our own legislation (which led to the Supreme Court’s judgement) and deporting illegal migrants straight away WOULD work.

It’s Starmer who is playing smoke and mirrors, saying things like he’s given millions more to the French to stop the boats when we heard just the other day that they are giving them life jackets before they set off!

We are being played, but not by Farage. He knows what is needed, and some of us know that, too.

By the way, your smilies indicate a lot of aggression. Calm down, old chap, no need for raised blood pressure.

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Originally Posted by Russ

I had to stare at this for several minutes to try and figure out whether you were being serious or not.

Going on the basis that you probably are, mark this page and mark this date.

There is not a cat's chance in hell that Reform (in the extremely unlikely event they make it into power) would use "ordinary people from the professions" as their cabinet.

If they do, I will eat my own underpants (washed or not, it'll be your choice), record it and post it on here for public amusement or nausea (you decide).

That’s something we can look forward to. Someone else on here made that promise a few years ago and wished he hadn’t.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

He's already been tested and failed/delivered nothing.

The first time in in European Parliament when he just tried to disrupt ( in the few times he turned up).

The 2nd as MP for Clacton, whose residents haven't see him since the election.

Like Boris, populists get found out when they actually have to deliver something.

I think Farage showed us that the European Parliament was nothing more than a talking shop. It’s the bureaucrats who put forward the policies and Parliament, in the end, can say only yes or no. It was not worth his while turning up, but his reason for joining was fulfilled.

As for your second point - oh dear….

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crlr5ry8jwgo

You’ve just got to believe me when the Beeb says it too.

[EXTRACT]

The Clacton MP said he had visited his Essex-based constituency "a couple of days a week" since July.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Not really. They are popular because they are easy reads at a time when the news in the more serious press is full of doom and gloom.

No, they've been consistently popular for decades.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Popular politicians are those who connect with the popular opinions of the people. Whether they can deliver is a different issue, which can only be tested once elected. As Starmer is showing us all too well.

And so far no politician has succeeded with that. Reform won't change that record

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Er, Russ. A word in your ear. NO credible political party will divulge their policies four years before a General Election.

They won't? You don't think parties give intentions of their policies when they're targeting election success within a few years?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

His candidates will be hand picked and subject to a vetting process far more rigorous that any of the other main parties have in place. I think you will find he has the last laugh. This isn’t going to be a UKIP Mark II.

Yep Farage has a shining record of vetting who he lets in to the party https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-deputy-leader

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, abandoning the ECHR alone will not stop the boats, but coupled with amending our own legislation (which led to the Supreme Court’s judgement) and deporting illegal migrants straight away WOULD work.

You STILL don't get it

We would still be bound by International Law.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We are being played, but not by Farage.

Oh you are indeed, you just can't see it. Just ask anyone from Clacton.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

By the way, your smilies indicate a lot of aggression. Calm down, old chap, no need for raised blood pressure.

I'm not calmed up. You're just making it very easy (fueled by a level of temptation I'm unable to resist tonight) to pick apart your points.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Russ

No, they've been consistently popular for decades.



And so far no politician has succeeded with that. Reform won't change that record



They won't? You don't think parties give intentions of their policies when they're targeting election success within a few years?

Yep Farage has a shining record of vetting who he lets in to the party https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-deputy-leader




You STILL don't get it

We would still be bound by International Law.



Oh you are indeed, you just can't see it. Just ask anyone from Clacton.



I'm not calmed up. You're just making it very easy (fueled by a level of temptation I'm unable to resist tonight) to pick apart your points.

No, as usual, you are not directly addressing anything.

“And so far”… We are talking about the future, not the past.

As a matter of interest, do you know what policies the Labour or Conservatives will be highlighted at the next election? Of course not. More shallow thinking. Farage will announce his in good time.

As for thinking that you’ve thwarted my argument about the ECHR by reminding me of International Law, you do realise that each country decides how international rules are implemented domestically, don’t you? If it is a human construct, it can be undone. Watch and learn.

You won’t pick apart my points because you cannot, with any credibility. You can disagree, but you cannot prove me wrong.

Originally posted by OLD BOY

As for your second point - oh dear….

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crlr5ry8jwgo

You’ve just got to believe me when the Beeb says it too.

[EXTRACT]

The Clacton MP said he had visited his Essex-based constituency "a couple of days a week" since July.

This was dated August, and it doesn't say he visited his constituency, it says he said he had visited his constituency...

How many surgeries has he held in the last nine months?


Here's what some of his constituents say...

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/new...-b2668611.html

Nigel Farage made a rare visit to his Clacton constituency as he was joined by Father Christmas.

The Reform MP, who won the Clacton constituency in this year’s general election, shared a video of himself visiting his constituency on Saturday (21 December).

Mr Farage captioned his X post: “You will never guess who is in Clacton today”.

Joined by Father Christmas, Mr Farage said: “The weather might be awful, but I’ll tell you what, you come to Clacton Pier and would you believe it? Even Father Christmas is here.”

A number of residents commented on the post, referencing Mr Farage’s lack of visits to Clacton.

One social media user said: “Yeah - the reality is that they both only come to Clacton once a year.”

Another added: “Nigel Farage in Clacton, that really is incredible!”

[Russ]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You can disagree, but you cannot prove me wrong.

I didn't say I was trying to.

Farage's actions/inactions will do that by themselves.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Russ

I didn't say I was trying to.

Farage's actions/inactions will do that by themselves.

Farage is an old romantic at heart. No, please hear me out on this!

I say it because as far as his constituents in Clacton go, he fully buys into the saying "Absence makes the heart grow fonder!"

[Russ]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Of course not. More shallow thinking. Farage will announce his in good time.

You've been around a good while, I assume you remember in the run-up to the 2010 election the Lib Dems promised to abolish tuition fees, but once they got in to government as part of the coalition, they couldn't follow through with it and Nick Clegg had to publicly apologise for saying it in the first place.

Why?

Because it was part of a bunch of no-hope policies they cobbled together because they stood no chance of getting into power. So when they inadvertently ended up sharing power with the brown-stuff party, reality kicked in, and their impossible policies had to get called out.

Farage will do exactly the same. Promise streets paved with gold, with not a single non-white person walking upon them, no doubt. In fact, say ANYTHING to get the gullible to believe in and vote for them.

Remember, you heard it here first.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Farage is an old romantic at heart. No, please hear me out on this!

I say it because as far as his constituents in Clacton go, he fully buys into the saying "Absence makes the heart grow fonder!"

More like "Absinthe makes the tart grow fonder".

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I'm sorry to say to you that none of the above is of any substance.

No need to apologise, which bits in particular lack substance, so I know for next time, the bit where farage promised to leave the country if brexit was a failure or the bit where Great Britain was known as Greater Brittany since Roman times, don't tell me you thought our descendants were childish enough to call the country Great in a move donnie trump would admire and our descendants were great, the victorians are probably the greatest of all, wonder what they'd call Britain of today, mid Britain, mediocre at best Britain

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Not really. They are popular because they are easy reads at a time when the news in the more serious press is full of doom and gloom.

Easy solutions to complex problems, sounds great or looks great on paper until you're asked to deliver on them

Er, Russ. A word in your ear. NO credible political party will divulge their policies four years before a General Election.

I'd expect a policy press release any day then if that's the qualification

I think you will find he has the last laugh. This isn’t going to be a UKIP Mark II.

That's exactly what it'll be because that's who Nigel is

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

This was dated August, and it doesn't say he visited his constituency, it says he said he had visited his constituency...

How many surgeries has he held in the last nine months?


Here's what some of his constituents say...

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/new...-b2668611.html

You are grasping at straws. He said he had visited his constituency twice a week when questioned on this in August 2024. He clarified it again earlier this year and he said he had bought a home in Clacton.

https://www.clactonandfrintongazette...-clacton-home/

There is no evidence that you have brought forward to paint the opposite picture apart from comment from some of his opponents who are trying to spin a story.

Looks like you’ve fallen for it.

Why do I feel a meme coming from you next?

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Originally Posted by Russ

You've been around a good while, I assume you remember in the run-up to the 2010 election the Lib Dems promised to abolish tuition fees, but once they got in to government as part of the coalition, they couldn't follow through with it and Nick Clegg had to publicly apologise for saying it in the first place.

Why?

Because it was part of a bunch of no-hope policies they cobbled together because they stood no chance of getting into power. So when they inadvertently ended up sharing power with the brown-stuff party, reality kicked in, and their impossible policies had to get called out.

Farage will do exactly the same. Promise streets paved with gold, with not a single non-white person walking upon them, no doubt. In fact, say ANYTHING to get the gullible to believe in and vote for them.

Remember, you heard it here first.

I agree with you about the Lib Dems. But you have no evidence that Farage will do the same. It’s your speculation, which is fair enough, but it is not a fact.

How many surgeries has Farage held in Clacton?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I agree with you about the Lib Dems. But you have no evidence that Farage will do the same. It’s your speculation, which is fair enough, but it is not a fact.

Speculation that Farage has done nothing to quell.

Anyhoo, it’s rumoured Liz Truss may be leaving the Tories and joining Reform UK - that should raise the average IQ level of both Parties…

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Anyhoo, it’s rumoured Liz Truss may be leaving the Tories and joining Reform UK - that should raise the average IQ level of both Parties…

If she does, I'm sure many in the Conservative Party will be saying "Lettuce rejoice".