The gender ideology thread

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

Herein lies (part of) the problem -

Part of the problem for you, not me, there seems to me to be hell of a lot people determined to prove they're right and not only are the other side wrong they're also the spawn of evil at the same time and it's not for me, from what I've seen these are people thatve gone through really tough times that are now pawns in this nonsense squabble

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That one.

As you've never been able to change to female........ever.

As the judgment says, you can legally change to be female. That is the source of all these problems. If that had never been allowed in the first place. none of this would be needed.
Either the judgment overturns that or use of the term "female" is context-specific. That would entail two different meanings and uses of the term.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Starmer told UK must repeal hate speech laws to protect LGBT+ people or lose Trump trade deal

Well its unclear what that means, but I'm all for killing the Online Safety Act.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Stephen

So how will it go down when a trans male has to use a women's bathroom or in a woman's hospital ward etc. I'm sure that women will still feel rather uncomfortable with someone that looks male being there.

Has too?? Wants too more like

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Has too?? Wants too more like

What does that mean?
As per the ruling a woman is born that way and always will be, even after transitioning to appear male they should use women's spaces and not men's.

Or is this uproar only because men becoming women are a scary threat so only applies to male to female and not female to male trans people.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Stephen

What does that mean?
As per the ruling a woman is born that way and always will be, even after transitioning to appear male they should use women's spaces and not men's.

Or is this uproar only because men becoming women are a scary threat so only applies to male to female and not female to male trans people.

sorry I misunderstood

Originally Posted by Stephen

What does that mean?
As per the ruling a woman is born that way and always will be, even after transitioning to appear male they should use women's spaces and not men's.

Or is this uproar only because men becoming women are a scary threat so only applies to male to female and not female to male trans people.

The risks are asymmetric. A woman larping as a man in male spaces is at risk, because she’s still a woman, and though the chances of sexual assault are small, a man is always much more likely to commit a sexual assault than a woman is.

Besides, the overwhelming majority of the trans-folx trying to gain admittance into single sex spaces are middle aged men. If trans identity was an actual medical thing you would expect roughly equal numbers of men and women to be affected, but, colour me shocked, they aren’t.

[Stephen]

It is roughly equal though.

In England and Wales, the 2021 census data indicates that the number of trans men and trans women is almost equal, with 48,000 of each, representing 0.1% of the population. This means the split is roughly 50/50 between trans men and trans women.

The WHO also no longer classes transgenderism or ge Dysphoria as a mental illness. Since 2019.

Transgender health issues will no longer be classified as mental and behavioural disorders under big changes to the World Health Organization's global manual of diagnoses.

The newly-approved version instead places issues of gender incongruence under a chapter on sexual health.

A World Health Organization expert said it now understands transgender is "not actually a mental health condition".

Human Rights Watch says the change will have a "liberating effect worldwide".

Neither does the NHS consider it a mental illness. Though it can lead to mental health issues.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by pip08456

On the day that a trans man can give birth to a child I'll call them a woman.

But even that is an incorrect assessment.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

As the judgment says, you can legally change to be female. That is the source of all these problems. If that had never been allowed in the first place. none of this would be needed.
Either the judgment overturns that or use of the term "female" is context-specific. That would entail two different meanings and uses of the term.

You can’t change your biology, so the terms woman and female now refer to biological sex (why we need a court to decide this proves how far into hell we have already descended)

There is no context required.

Woman, female = not a man.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

So how will it go down when a trans male has to use a women's bathroom or in a woman's hospital ward etc. I'm sure that women will still feel rather uncomfortable with someone that looks male being there.

They’ll usually be about 5’8” maximum, and look like a bearded woman.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Pierre

But even that is an incorrect assessment.

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You can’t change your biology, so the terms woman and female now refer to biological sex (why we need a court to decide this proves how far into hell we have already descended)

There is no context required.

Woman, female = not a man.

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They’ll usually be about 5’8” maximum, and look like a bearded woman.

As 5ft 7.5inches is the average male height they wont look out of place then. Bearded woman lol. Many will have been undergoing hormone therapy and can perfectly pass for looking male.

Originally Posted by Stephen

It is roughly equal though.

Even the ONS admits that data is unrealiable because of the cack-handed way the question was asked. Aided and abetted, of course, by years of activism deliberately intended to obscure the meanings of words and make the issue impossible to discuss except in trans-affirming terms.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...dy/ar-AA1BGWlK

The WHO also no longer classes transgenderism or ge Dysphoria as a mental illness. Since 2019.

As we have seen, public bodies are quite capable of being targeted and captured by activists. The reason today’s Supreme Court judgment was even necessary was because activists at organisations like Stonewall have spent years telling public bodies across the UK what it thinks the law should be rather than what it actually is.

The evidential basis for any firm conclusions are weak and in any case there is unlikely to be one single reason why someone claims a trans identity.

Here. Tbis graphic is American but despite differences in emphasis and language it describes the ‘trans umbrella’ as it operates in the UK fairly well.



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Originally Posted by Stephen

As 5ft 7.5inches is the average male height they wont look out of place then. Bearded woman lol. Many will have been undergoing hormone therapy and can perfectly pass for looking male.

In filtered social media photos maybe. But I have yet to see a trans-claiming female who can actually behave like a man rather than as a grotesque parody of one (just as trans-claiming males inevitably fall into stereotypes of what they believe to be women’s bahviour).

In any case, whether or not someone can ‘pass’ is a red herring. The issue is one of human dignity. I fail to see how a man or woman deceiving others into thinking they are something they are not is dignified for anyone concerned.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Stephen

As 5ft 7.5inches is the average male height they wont look out of place then. Bearded woman lol. Many will have been undergoing hormone therapy and can perfectly pass for looking male.

Love that phrase……..pass.


Well they don’t. From either side.

99% you can tell immediately

The other 1% you’d work out after a few minutes of talking and being with them.

F to M, hormone therapy may give them facial hair, doesn’t widen their shoulders or narrow their hips. Doesn’t make them taller, May effect their voice but not a lot.

If they mutilate themselves and cut their breasts off, they can’t grow back and and a “Phalloplasty”. This is the biggest evil of this cult. Any doctor that has carried out this surgery is not a doctor but a butcher, that should be struck off.

[RichardCoulter]

So does this ruling mean that people must be defined as the gender that they were born as? If, for example, a male to female trans person has had their penis removed in favour of a vagina, does this make a difference?

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

So does this ruling mean that people must be defined as the gender that they were born as? If, for example, a male to female trans person has had their penis removed in favour of a vagina, does this make a difference?

No and it wouldn't be a vagina it would be a hole!

[Russ]

I’m gutted for my friend Danielle but in the bigger picture…I just don’t know if this was the right ruling or not. Time will tell how attitudes pan out however the decision will only make decisive attitudes even wider.