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Old 04-04-2025, 20:19   #1516
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Oh I'm not justifying what they did, I'm only trying to explain that some otherwise perfectly decent normal people voted for him, too.
Pretty sure most of his voters ticked that box. He's got amazing charisma and the ability to connect with the man on the street that few other politicians have got close to.
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Old 04-04-2025, 20:36   #1517
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She may not have offered them any benefits but at least she wouldn't have doled out (literally!) the disbenefits that Trump has. A terrible choice of candidates in that election but one stood out as worse and he's marginally in power.
She was on the ballot. She lost emphatically - losing ground in almost every measured demographic compared to Biden 2020.

You can’t be the continuity candidate offering more of the same if everyone thinks that outcome is crap.
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Old 04-04-2025, 20:41   #1518
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Pretty sure most of his voters ticked that box. He's got amazing charisma and the ability to connect with the man on the street that few other politicians have got close to.
Charisma ? Not sure about that. His main advantages at the last election were that's he's male and not black. The USA deserves all it gets.
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Old 04-04-2025, 21:31   #1519
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Charisma ? Not sure about that. His main advantages at the last election were that's he's male and not black. The USA deserves all it gets.
He's also got a knack for rude nicknames for his opponents. "Sleepy Joe" being a prime example.

But no one deserves Trump's presidency whether they voted for him or not.

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She was on the ballot. She lost emphatically - losing ground in almost every measured demographic compared to Biden 2020.

You can’t be the continuity candidate offering more of the same if everyone thinks that outcome is crap.
Better or worse is obviously subjective. He stood out as worse to me and better to a slim majority of the US electorate.
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Old 04-04-2025, 21:44   #1520
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Of course it's entirely subjective but elections are won or lost on that basis.

Disagreeing with the outcome is no reason for complacency around the reasons for it. Harris wasn't a good candidate and continuity (for many) means more inequality. It was a really bad sales pitch that Trump absolutely trounced. These people don't care if you crash the system because the wealth doesn't trickle down anyway.
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Old 04-04-2025, 21:46   #1521
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He's also got a knack for rude nicknames for his opponents. "Sleepy Joe" being a prime example.
Rude….but as it turned out 100% accurate.
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Old 04-04-2025, 21:57   #1522
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Rude….but as it turned out 100% accurate.
Even in his sleep he delivered impressive first year results. Not sure the loudmouthed, obnoxious, orange felon will have similar success.


Real GDP grew 5.9% during Biden's first year, the fastest rate since 1984. Amid record job creation, the unemployment rate fell at the fastest pace on record during Biden's first year, from 6.4% in January 2021 to 3.9% by December 2021.
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But no one deserves Trump's presidency whether they voted for him or not.
On the contrary.

He’s doing what he said he’d do, being obnoxious as he always was. He’s the same man who got convicted of dodgy business dealings, got held liable for sexual assault, and would have been in court facing serious charges relating to his retention of classified documents right now, had he not won the election.

Nobody who voted for him can say they didn’t know he was an awful man bent on doing awful things. They sowed the wind, now they’re reaping the whirlwind. Plenty of people didn’t vote for him of course, and they have my sympathy. But far too many did.
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Re: President Trump 2.0

Yes, this is what a large part of America wanted. It's the same with the people concerned about what Elon Musk is doing to social security; the largest demographic of recipients of social security voted for Trump. They're getting what they voted for and Trump is doing what he said he would.
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Even in his sleep he delivered impressive first year results. Not sure the loudmouthed, obnoxious, orange felon will have similar success.

Real GDP grew 5.9% during Biden's first year, the fastest rate since 1984. Amid record job creation, the unemployment rate fell at the fastest pace on record during Biden's first year, from 6.4% in January 2021 to 3.9% by December 2021.
A creative way of saying employment rights are so bad in the USA and millions were paid off during COVID lockdown plus restrictions in 2020 who re-entered the workforce in 2021.

Anyone in their sleep could have achieved similar.
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Old 04-04-2025, 22:30   #1526
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Trump’s a record-breaker - no one has made the Dow Jones drop so much two days in a row…

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/03/stoc...e-updates.html

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The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 2,231.07 points, or 5.5%, to 38,314.86 on Friday, the biggest decline since June 2020 during the Covid-19 pandemic.

This follows a 1,679-point decline on Thursday and marks the first time ever that it has shed more than 1,500 points on back-to-back days.
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Even in his sleep he delivered impressive first year results. Not sure the loudmouthed, obnoxious, orange felon will have similar success.
He's doing his best to spur economic growth, albeit it in Russia!
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This is worth listening to. A GOP Senator explaining why Trump's actions are wrong and probably unconstitutional:



All the Tariff changes are on the back of the Emergency Powers Act which bypasses Congress & The House, allowing Trump to enact "taxation with no representation".
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Any idiot seemed better than Harris at the time. Be careful what you (i) wish for ! Sure got an idiot
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Yes, this is what a large part of America wanted. It's the same with the people concerned about what Elon Musk is doing to social security; the largest demographic of recipients of social security voted for Trump. They're getting what they voted for and Trump is doing what he said he would.
I feel absolutely filthy for saying it but in that regard, he's a fantastic politician in terms of he's doing exactly what he said he would. It's pretty much rare to see that these day. Of course there's the small point of the policies he's enacting coming close to crashing the world's economy etc but hey, at least a few transgenders can't get passports now but cloud/silver lining right?
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