20mph in Wales.

[Taf]

The most common crime that has police active around here is to ride electric scooters or modified electric bicycles. Quite a few have been confiscated for destruction.

This has caused problems with the illegal drug distribution networks, but also with the time that takeaway food takes to be delivered, as they now have to ride standard bicycles at far less speed than before.

A couple of delivery drivers have had their vehicles impounded too. No licences, insurance, etc. Nabbed as they left a local takeaway.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Paul

LOL, I was referring to them.

Still, since you mention it .....

You may be "complying with the law" but you're obviously also doing it just to be a bit of 'dick'.

Er no, I'm complying with the law because it's the law Dick, sorry, I mean Paul.

I can't be responsible for the composure of other road users, people who become enraged like that are a danger to everyone.

Wales is starting to realise just how stupid this was.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crlxzlr695eo

The maximum speed limit on four busy roads in Cardiff will be changed back to 30mph from 20mph.

More stretches of road are expected to revert to 30mph, especially those away from built-up areas.

Last month, it was announced that 50 stretches of road in Wrexham would revert to 30mph.

Wrexham council's executive board considered the results of a consultation which was "overwhelmingly" in favour of ending the 20mph policy, with 93% of respondents in favour of returning road speeds to 30mph.

A general review of the default lower speed limit of 20mph was announced by the Welsh government following significant public backlash.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Paul

Wales is starting to realise just how stupid this was.

A 700 yard stretch of arterial road near me is being returned to 30mph (eventually and at great cost).

But it was a 40mph road under 10 years ago, with only very rare accidents, and those did not involve pedestrians AFAIK.

The 20mph limit has been causing severe traffic problems since it was imposed.

Voters here have long memories, so the next elections should show a big swing against Labour and their allies, Plaid.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Paul

Wales is starting to realise just how stupid this was.

No.

Some parts are realising the 'sledgehammer-to-crack-a-nut' approach was not the best.

In many parts of the country road safety relating to speed has improved significantly and thus is extremely unlikely to change. On that basis the reduction in limit has been a positive move.

That's not to suggest it's been a popular one. 90% of the time it annoys the crap out of me.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

the reduction in limit has been a positive move.

20mph outside schools, nursery’s, hospitals etc, no problem, full support.

But a blanket 20mph is/was just stupid.

It was like covid, regional insignificant assemblies, such as Wales, tried to look powerful, but ended up looking stupid,
.

Originally Posted by Russ

No.

Yes.

Originally Posted by Russ

Some parts are realising the 'sledgehammer-to-crack-a-nut' approach was not the best.

Exactly. Stupid.
Glad we agree after all.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Paul

Yes.

No.

Originally Posted by Paul

Exactly. Stupid.
Glad we agree after all.

You can continue to put words in my mouth all you want, it doesn’t make you any closer to being right.

It wasn’t the best approach, that does not make it universally “stupid”.

Some good has come from this, speed-based fatalities have dropped. If you want to refer to that as “stupid” then perhaps it says more about yourself.

My criticism about this is that it was brought in too widespread and too soon. A whole world away from being “stupid”. Adjustments are being made on certain roads but as it’s being done by a Labour government I’m sure there’ll still be odd individuals who will still criticise it despite speed-based road safety improving (“stupid pedestrians shouldn’t have been on the road in the first place eh??”).

Originally Posted by Russ

No.

Yes.

Originally Posted by Russ

You can continue to put words in my mouth all you want, it doesn’t make you any closer to being right.

I dont need to be any closer, I'm already there.

Originally Posted by Russ

as it’s being done by a Labour government I’m sure there’ll still be odd individuals who will still criticise it despite speed-based road safety improving

I never said anything about Labour, what was that about words and mouth ?
Still, I'm sure if had been done by the Conservatives you would still be defending it.

A blanket change was a stupid idea.
Having realised this they are now backtracking in many places.

You use different words to mean the same thing.
I also notice you skipped Pierre's comments completely.

I'm starting to think you are just arguing with me for the sake of it.


{Dont bother keeping up with Yes/No, You can say No, I can say Yes, it doesnt need repeating again.}

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

20mph outside schools, nursery’s, hospitals etc, no problem, full support.

I don't support it, three o'clock in the afternoon yes it's reasonable but three o'clock in the morning makes no sense

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Paul

I dont need to be any closer, I'm already there.

In your own mind, I have no doubts.

Originally Posted by Paul

I never said anything about Labour, what was that about words and mouth ?
Still, I'm sure if had been done by the Conservatives you would still be defending it.

You’re quite well-known for being anti-Labour, was it that much of a stretch of the imagination?

Originally Posted by Paul

A blanket change was a stupid idea.
Having realised this they are now backtracking in many places.

A “stupid idea” that made a significant difference to road safety

Originally Posted by Paul

you use different words to mean the same thing.

Pot/kettle/black

Originally Posted by Paul

I also notice you skipped Pierre's comments completely.

Yeah because your post contained more disagreeable content

Originally Posted by Paul

I'm starting to think you are just arguing with me for the sake of it.

lol you don’t feature high enough on my personal radar for that. Maybe it’s just because someone on here has no worries with publicly disagreeing with you?

{Dont bother keeping up with Yes/No, You can say No, I can say Yes, it doesnt need repeating again.}

Am I allowed to say “negative” instead?

[Taf]

I suspect that all areas where a 20mph limit was a good idea for safety were already at 20mph after the long and expensive use of Traffic Regulation Orders.

Now those that are going to be returned to 30mph have to go through the long and expensive use of Traffic regulation Orders.

We have also seen large sections of motorway and dual carriageways reduced to 50mph. And some National Speed Limit roads have been dropped from 60mph to 50mph. We all expect the latter to spread nationwide.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Taf

I suspect that all areas where a 20mph limit was a good idea for safety were already at 20mph after the long and expensive use of Traffic Regulation Orders.

Now those that are going to be returned to 30mph have to go through the long and expensive use of Traffic regulation Orders.

We have also seen large sections of motorway and dual carriageways reduced to 50mph. And some National Speed Limit roads have been dropped from 60mph to 50mph. We all expect the latter to spread nationwide.

Nothing ever stopped council's from using 20mph , but labour don't even trust there local councils to know what's best ?! Guess I agree with them for once

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by Paul

Wales is starting to realise just how stupid this was.

Well them thinking they can enforce this is stupid.. I bet people went well over 20.. Hell if no one is watching they probably go near 40!

Originally Posted by Russ

In your own mind, I have no doubts.

Good to know.

Originally Posted by Russ

You’re quite well-known for being anti-Labour, was it that much of a stretch of the imagination?

Its not a stretch, its more of a huge leap.
I dont care if it was Labour, Conservatives or the Jedi, it was still a dumb idea.

I note you didnt respond to the other part of my comment.
Would you be defending the Conservatives, had this been implemented by them ?

Originally Posted by Russ

A “stupid idea” that made a significant difference to road safety

Something I was once told a long time ago, when submitting projects.
If you cant think of any good reasons, always default to "safety" (or security) concerns.
Based on that as an argument, they should reduce them all to 5 mph, or just make everyone walk.

Originally Posted by Russ

Yeah because your post contained more disagreeable content

I said its "Stupid", while Pierre just called it "Stupid". Yes, an obvious difference.

Originally Posted by Russ

Maybe it’s just because someone on here has no worries with publicly disagreeing with you?

Really - thats the road you want to go down ? Ok.
You can disagree all you want if you do it in a proper fashion.
Start with the personal digs and/or trolling, and I'll have no worries dealing with it.

Originally Posted by Russ

Am I allowed to say “negative” instead?

See above.