Russia has invaded Ukraine
15-02-2025, 13:20
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Well they’re not a charity, we had to pay for WWII.
We should make sure there is a payment plan for us too, for what we have paid for.
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Do you trust Putin to pay up?
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15-02-2025, 13:29
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Do you trust Putin to pay up?
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We’re not funding Putin’s war effort, we’ll not directly, as far as I know
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15-02-2025, 13:30
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Well they’re not a charity, we had to pay for WWII.
We should make sure there is a payment plan for us too, for what we have paid for.
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Big difference between paying off loans and being blackmailed into giving up assets.
Also, most of the US funding was spent in the USA.
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article...actually-works
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The vast majority of U.S. Ukraine-related funding does not go directly to Ukraine; it stays in the U.S. economy, subsidizing the production of weapons in at least 31 states and 71 cities.
While Ukraine gets most of the aid in the form of old American weapons pulled from U.S. reserves, it’s American workers at American companies that make new weapons to replenish them.
America’s military-industrial complex also restocks inventories of its NATO allies who similarly help Ukraine.
Not only does this revitalize the communities around large manufacturing plants in mostly Republican states, but it has created so many high-level jobs that some places are struggling to find enough qualified workers.
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Last edited by Hugh; 15-02-2025 at 13:38.
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15-02-2025, 14:57
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Also, most of the US funding was spent in the USA.
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Something that most people overlook, donny damages America and hurts its people daily and those that voted for him seem to be hit worst of all
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15-02-2025, 23:03
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Big difference between paying off loans and being blackmailed into giving up assets.
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They’re not being blackmailed.
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They have to pay for the weapons they’ve used
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Not controversial
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16-02-2025, 00:47
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by Pierre
They’re not being blackmailed.
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The Trump administration has proposed to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that the United States be granted 50 percent ownership of Ukraine's rare earth minerals in exchange for its military support, according to a report by NBC News…
… The American officials also signaled an openness to deploying U.S. troops to Ukraine to guard these minerals,
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Nice country you’ve got here - be a shame if anything happened to it.
We can help prevent that - bada bing, bada boom…
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16-02-2025, 03:43
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
So they want Ukraine to pay for (expensive) military support in minerals ? Unusual I guess, but doesnt really seem like blackmail.
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16-02-2025, 09:43
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
It seems fair enough and if it helps Ukraine get more support then why not?
What's more concerning is Trump dealing with Russia directly and cutting out Ukraine. I think he and Putin might want to divide up Ukraine between themselves.
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16-02-2025, 09:57
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by Paul
So they want Ukraine to pay for (expensive) military support in minerals ? Unusual I guess, but doesnt really seem like blackmail.
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You’re right - it was more of a shakedown/protection racket than blackmail…
It was the way it was approached…
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One of the senior Ukrainian officials said that Kyiv received the proposed U.S. mineral deal just four hours before Bessent met with Zelensky in Kyiv on Wednesday. In that meeting, the treasury secretary “insisted” that Zelensky sign it immediately. Zelensky did not, the official said.
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Zelensky had only a few minutes to read the U.S. proposal before his Wednesday meeting with Bessent, said one person familiar with the discussions.
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18-02-2025, 16:34
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
It's incredible how deadlocked negotiations are opened up.
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18-02-2025, 16:45
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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It's incredible how deadlocked negotiations are opened up.
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There weren't any existing deadlocked negotiations to open up as far as I'm aware.
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18-02-2025, 16:53
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
There weren't any existing deadlocked negotiations to open up as far as I'm aware.
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So Biden and his countries I mean, crew, I mean I don't know. Nobody was talking to Russia to end the conflict?
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18-02-2025, 17:07
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by thenry
It's incredible how deadlocked negotiations are opened up.
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It's amazing how negotiations opened up when you don't include the country that was invaded and give away major concessions before the negotiations start...
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Originally Posted by thenry
So Biden and his countries I mean, crew, I mean I don't know. Nobody was talking to Russia to end the conflict?
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Russia are happy to end the conflict if the Ukraine agrees to give up more land, disband their military, agree that an illegitimate regime is running the country, and never join NATO or the EU - what's not to like?
https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...nflict-updates
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Last edited by Hugh; 18-02-2025 at 17:13.
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18-02-2025, 17:18
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
Not everybody lives like you Hugh.
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