Starmer’s chronicles

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

In the meantime ...


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1we3re197po

That’s because all the millionaires are leaving, and it’s the millionaires that pay most of the taxes in the U.K.

And Rachel has realised that 45% of £1million is £450,000. Whereas 45% of nothing is nothing.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Itshim

The lady from accountants said this wouldn't happen and is optimistic about the economy, so that OK then. Clearly business leaders don't understand how to run a business.

Rumours that santander is thinking of pulling out of UK see sky news

Originally Posted by Itshim

Rumours that santander is thinking of pulling out of UK see sky news

That's different really. It's always been hard to make money from retail banking in the UK because there isn't a culture of paying for your current account as there is in some other countries. UK regulation post-2008 crash required consumer money to be protected from the investment part of a bank's business as well which is what they're unhappy about.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It's what you get from an ageing population. Too expensive to have kids. Those with young with any talent or sense, emigrate from this decaying backwater.I blame everything that has happened since 2016. No point in blaming politicians its what some of us voted for.

You ignore totally the devastating impact of Covid and the Ukraine war. What would have been done differently under Labour? Longer lockdowns for a start, which would have been even more expensive.

However, I agree that Sunak was a disappointing Prime Minister. It seemed as if he’d given up, which is certainly not what I expected from him.

As for Truss, whatever your view on her short record, even you must be realising that the Starmer/Reeves team is doing far more damage to the economy than was the case after her mini-budget (and I won’t go into the real cause of that as the argument has already been aired many a time).

By the end of the next 4.5 years, the UK will be in a sorry state indeed.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You ignore totally the devastating impact of Covid and the Ukraine war. What would have been done differently under Labour? Longer lockdowns for a start, which would have been even more expensive.

However, I agree that Sunak was a disappointing Prime Minister. It seemed as if he’d given up, which is certainly not what I expected from him.

As for Truss, whatever your view on her short record, even you must be realising that the Starmer/Reeves team is doing far more damage to the economy than was the case after her mini-budget (and I won’t go into the real cause of that as the argument has already been aired many a time).

By the end of the next 4.5 years, the UK will be in a sorry state indeed.

It already is in a sorry state OB, as a result of everything that has happened since 2010. Blaming the new incoming Govt that has only had a few months is silly, even for you.

An ageing population, Brexit, young that have no hope of housing or a decent life is the problem. The electorate have to take some of the blame for the way things have gone.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It already is in a sorry state OB, as a result of everything that has happened since 2010. Blaming the new incoming Govt that has only had a few months is silly, even for you.

An ageing population, Brexit, young that have no hope of housing or a decent life is the problem. The electorate have to take some of the blame for the way things have gone.

Er, and did you not notice that increasing the NI contributions for employers would also impact on public services (which also employ a shedload of people); and create difficulties for the private sector which would then have to cut investment and, of course, jobs? Did you notice that Reeves was now having to row back on their stupid non-Doms legislation? Then there’s the farmers…

I won’t go on, but I see you are saying nothing about Starmer’s pillow woman’s negative impact on the economy. That’s on them, and on them alone.

As for 2010 - do you actually remember why austerity was needed in the first place? Our expenditure had been far exceeding our income under Labour, which of course is nothing new.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It already is in a sorry state OB, as a result of everything that has happened since 2010. Blaming the new incoming Govt that has only had a few months is silly, even for you.

The 14 yrs of the Tories had a coalition term, COVID, Brexit and the Ukraine war to screw them and it was 14 yrs.

Labour have had none of that, and have screwed it even worse in 6 months……….

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Then there’s the farmers…

What about them, how the former government screwed them with awful trade deals and bungled the payment transition system

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What about them, how the former government screwed them with awful trade deals and bungled the payment transition system

Oh, the whataboutery argument is now deployed - things must be getting desperate.

This thread is about Starmer, not the Conservatives, and whatever your arguments about what the other lot did or didn’t do, the Starmer and Reeves love-in team are doing real damage to farmers and making our economic prospects far worse. Interesting that you don’t want to talk about that.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Oh, the whataboutery argument is now deployed - things must be getting desperate.

This thread is about Starmer, not the Conservatives, and whatever your arguments about what the other lot did or didn’t do, the Starmer and Reeves love-in team are doing real damage to farmers and making our economic prospects far worse. Interesting that you don’t want to talk about that.

You see the Labour Party can only deal with the economy they inherited from - yep that’s right, the Tories - so it’s impossible to not mention them.

[Mr K]

Trump says Keir Starmer doing 'very good job'
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqjvyyn7k99o

Bestest of buddies

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Oh, the whataboutery argument is now deployed - things must be getting desperate.

This thread is about Starmer, not the Conservatives, and whatever your arguments about what the other lot did or didn’t do, the Starmer and Reeves love-in team are doing real damage to farmers and making our economic prospects far worse. Interesting that you don’t want to talk about that.

Real damage to rich people who were advised to buy farm land as a way of avoiding tax and then boasted about doing so in a national newspaper

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Trump says Keir Starmer doing 'very good job'
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqjvyyn7k99o

Bestest of buddies

No better recommendation than that of a convicted felon, and as mister lammy called him a neo nazi sociopath...

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Russ

You see the Labour Party can only deal with the economy they inherited from - yep that’s right, the Tories - so it’s impossible to not mention them.

Except that you ignore what THEY inherited from Labour, Covid and the Ukraine war. Circumstances beyond their control caused the problems the Conservatives had to put up with. Labour under Starmer and Reeves are creating problems of their own and that is what we are talking about.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Trump says Keir Starmer doing 'very good job'
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqjvyyn7k99o

Bestest of buddies

Kidology. Do you see what he’s doing there?

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Real damage to rich people who were advised to buy farm land as a way of avoiding tax and then boasted about doing so in a national newspaper

Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Look at all the small farmers caught up in this.

The Labour lot have let their envy for the rich cloud their judgement.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Except that you ignore what THEY inherited from Labour, Covid and the Ukraine war. Circumstances beyond their control caused the problems the Conservatives had to put up with. Labour under Starmer and Reeves are creating problems of their own and that is what we are talking about

Cool, if you want to ignore the austerity years (which didn’t improve the economy), the £32bn given to their mates, the tax cuts for the millionaires etc to help keep any talk of the Tories out of this, go you. All the power to you.