Starmer’s chronicles

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by ianch99

To be honest, this is a pretty silly reply. Labour inherited an economy that was broken due to the Tories, Brexit, Covid, Putin, etc. If you think that Labour should not have increased the taxes they did, explain how the economy could be salvaged through different means.

The endless whinging without any constructive input has no value.

The need is for growth, how taxing businesses even more helps, that is beyond me. Start by stopping giving money away to other countries. Ie millions in aid to India . Stop offering any support to illegal immigrants.
Make any "self injury" pay for NHS treatment .Andrew Griffith, Shadow Secretary of State for Science and Technology and former FTSE 100 finance director said…

“Securing investment is not about canapes and cocktails. The government must walk the walk. Threats to hike up taxes on capital gains, giving workers the right to start a job in the morning and sue their employer at an employment tribunal the same afternoon and the Chancellor trying to fiddle the definition of debt are all flashing ‘sell signals’ on the UK. We need a government that understands real wealth creators; not one which taxes with one hand and doles out subsidies with the other.”

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Itshim

The need is for growth, how taxing businesses even more helps, that is beyond me. Start by stopping giving money away to other countries. Ie millions in aid to India . Stop offering any support to illegal immigrants. Make any "self injury" pay for NHS treatment .

But these are just populist tag lines. The £38 million sent to India in 2023/2024 will not reduce the NHS waiting lists for example. In fact, none of these suggestions will.

What you are not addressing is where the real money is in this country. For example, the richest 50 families in the UK own more wealth than half of the UK's population. So if you want to "fix" the country, you have to redesign the system that currently ensures that more and more wealth goes to the few. The big problem is that, in the main, the mainstream media and now more & more social media is owned & controlled by the oligarchs whose mission is to tell you that they are not the issue and cause of your problems but the poor people in India are.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Itshim

The need is for growth, how taxing businesses even more helps, that is beyond me. Start by stopping giving money away to other countries. Ie millions in aid to India . Stop offering any support to illegal immigrants.
Make any "self injury" pay for NHS treatment .Andrew Griffith, Shadow Secretary of State for Science and Technology and former FTSE 100 finance director said…

“Securing investment is not about canapes and cocktails. The government must walk the walk. Threats to hike up taxes on capital gains, giving workers the right to start a job in the morning and sue their employer at an employment tribunal the same afternoon and the Chancellor trying to fiddle the definition of debt are all flashing ‘sell signals’ on the UK. We need a government that understands real wealth creators; not one which taxes with one hand and doles out subsidies with the other.”

If you genuinely prioritised economic growth above all else, you would be advocating we rejoined the EU to remove the rwd tape burdens that British businesses face when trying to trade with the European Single Market.

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[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by ianch99

But these are just populist tag lines. The £38 million sent to India in 2023/2024 will not reduce the NHS waiting lists for example. In fact, none of these suggestions will.

What you are not addressing is where the real money is in this country. For example, the richest 50 families in the UK own more wealth than half of the UK's population. So if you want to "fix" the country, you have to redesign the system that currently ensures that more and more wealth goes to the few. The big problem is that, in the main, the mainstream media and now more & more social media is owned & controlled by the oligarchs whose mission is to tell you that they are not the issue and cause of your problems but the poor people in India are.

I await the answers to this with some interest, when did this happen, capitalism used to be about rewarding hard work and now it's *******ized into this thing were a few people at the top have literally everything and everyone else struggles to varying degrees and wasn't it Einstein who said there will come a time when the rich control the media and it will become impossible for ordinary people to make informed decisions I don't recall if he actually said it or it's attributed to him and suspect if he did he thought we were already there considering the power of newspapers in those days with Mccarthyism and the reds under the bed, wonder what he'd make of things these days

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The economy continues to be its usual sluggishness. You can continue to talk the country down by pretending the economy is dead but that would be incorrect, likewise pretending there was no spending black hole.

You can't carry on denying global warming and the heavy cost implications this is laying on the world through flooding, hurricanes etc. Best be a leader in new green technology and have energy sovereignty to boot.

I agree, flat-earth (or MAGA) economics are not the answer. The phrase "Don't Look Up" might apply to those that subscribe to this delusion.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I agree, flat-earth (or MAGA) economics are not the answer. The phrase "Don't Look Up" might apply to those that subscribe to this delusion.

Wasn't that long ago that Trump and other businesses signed a petition asking for measures to be taken to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Floods and tornados are not great for real estate owners. However, the allure of fossil fuel dosh and power has proved too much.

After moaning about the Lower Thames Crossing being in 'consultation' for 15 or so years they might actually be doing it!

https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881412879527895110

Govt is poised to:
- give public support to third runway at Heathrow
- sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
- approve Lower Thames Crossing
- approve a Universal Studios theme park

[thenry]

What ever happened to Boris with regards to expansion of Gatwick. I remember receiving a flyer through the letterbox saying it was all being set up with those living closest to the airport getting some form of compensation, I think it might have been council tax.

A Universal Studios Theme Park ? Sounds Interesting ...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul

A Universal Studios Theme Park ? Sounds Interesting ...

Yes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univ...United_Kingdom

It's been in the works for ages. From what I can tell the Government is going to use something called a 'Special Development Orders' to get it started. It seems to allow the government to just override the usual, protracted, planning application process and just grant it. Hopefully, the building will start quickly. They should do this more often!

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's been in the works for ages. From what I can tell the Government is going to use something called a 'Special Development Orders' to get it started. It seems to allow the government to just override the usual, protracted, planning application process and just grant it. Hopefully, the building will start quickly. They should do this more often!

Sounds like an offshoot of the euphemism Special Military Operation.Planning processes protect the interests of everyone affected not just those who want something that suits them.

Originally Posted by Kursk

Sounds like an offshoot of the euphemism Special Military Operation.Planning processes protect the interests of everyone affected not just those who want something that suits them.

They also stop anything being built because there will always be motivated people seeking to stop infrastructure and development even when it holds back the economy for everyone else.

It's why HS2 has huge bills and is half-cancelled. We kept having to build tunnels to protect a field, or bats, or whatever else. It's why the Lower Thames Crossing has been delayed and delayed for a decade and it also would have held back the Theme Park.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

They also stop anything being built because there will always be motivated people seeking to stop infrastructure and development even when it holds back the economy for everyone else.

It's why HS2 has huge bills and is half-cancelled. We kept having to build tunnels to protect a field, or bats, or whatever else. It's why the Lower Thames Crossing has been delayed and delayed for a decade and it also would have held back the Theme Park.

I love wildlife but Sunak's £100m bat tunnel was just batty!

And the way the Conservatives caved in on expensive tunnels into London was pure nimby politics which increased the country's debt unnecessarily.