Starmer’s chronicles

OK - If he walks, he won’t be there in March (the only answer possible to that question).

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

OK - If he walks, he won’t be there in March (the only answer possible to that question).

So he could go at anytime regardless of Labour conferences.

You think that if he resigned it would be because he wanted to?

I don’t think any politician has resigned because they wanted to.

Your assertion that

Labour can only change Leader at a Party Conference,

Is obviously wrong if the change is made for them, or they engineer the change.

And someone may engineer a change if we keep getting headlines like this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0n14ywzqpo

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

So he could go at anytime regardless of Labour conferences.

You think that if he resigned it would be because he wanted to?

I don’t think any politician has resigned because they wanted to.

Your assertion that

Is obviously wrong if the change is made for them, or they engineer the change.

And someone may engineer a change if we keep getting headlines like this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0n14ywzqpo

as someone once said "when the herd moves the herd moves, thems the breaks"

Originally Posted by Pierre

So he could go at anytime regardless of Labour conferences.

You think that if he resigned it would be because he wanted to?

I don’t think any politician has resigned because they wanted to.

Your assertion that

Is obviously wrong if the change is made for them, or they engineer the change.

And someone may engineer a change if we keep getting headlines like this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0n14ywzqpo

Something magic might happen…

You think that if he resigned it would be because he wanted to?

He can’t be removed before late September by the Party - why would he?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The bad news will be replaced by worse news. Wait and see.

It's going to be a challenging year given Trump's dislike for supporting Ukraine and free trade. And increased Brexit frictions and NI costs will cost hard-pressed businesses more which will impact staff and customers.

As a positive, Starmer will be more experienced in power. He will be a lot less likely to follow the Treasury's urging without considering the political implications, which he did for the Winter Fuel Allowance.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

He won't be under immediate pressure because the election is still 4 and a half years away.

And that is a long time in politics as Margaret Thatchers government was very unpopular early on with plunging poll ratings to match.

Never judge a book just by reading the first chapter.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

And that is a long time in politics as Margaret Thatchers government was very unpopular early on with plunging poll ratings to match.

Never judge a book just by reading the first chapter.

If Starmer does a Thatcher, I’ll take it all back..

But Thatcher always decried people making U-turns, and Starmer is a past master at them - his record is second to none!

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

If Starmer does a Thatcher, I’ll take it all back..

But Thatcher always decried people making U-turns, and Starmer is a past master at them - his record is second to none!

<cough cough>

From this thread, last month, commenting on a post showing her "The lady’s not for turning" speech…

Originally Posted by Hugh

Funnily enough, the following year, she did a U-Turn on defence spending (cutting it, having previously prioritised defence spending over economic policy and financial control), and the year after that (after the Falklands) another one (increasing it)…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...e#post36186628

[Pierre]

Making a U-Turn is not in itself a sign of weakness or weak leadership.

If Starmer & Reeves did a u-turn on Winterfuel payments and employers N.I.

I’m sure they’d be lauded over it.

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In regards to WFA, Rachel from accounts actually appears to have done pensioners across the country a massive favour.

As it turns out the claims for pension credit has sky rocketed, and any “savings” she thought she would get from the £1.4B will be swallowed up by pension credit claims.

So actually, I retract my earlier statement. Well done Rachel.

https://policyinpractice.co.uk/more-...yment-savings/

[Kursk]

Yes, well done indeed. I fear all the Chancellor has done is to awaken a sleeping giant and filled them with a terrible resolve. We know how that ends.

[papa smurf]

Twenty Labour councillors quit party accusing Starmer of abandoning values

Twenty Labour councillors have quit the party in protest at its direction under the leadership of Sir Keir Starmer, accusing the prime minister of having "abandoned traditional Labour values".

The councillors - from Broxtowe Borough Council in Nottinghamshire – took aim at policies such as cutting the winter fuel allowance for some pensioners, the bus fare increase and Labour’s plans to scrap two-tier county and district councils.


man the lifeboats she's sinking

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2672965.html

[ianch99]

When I said Musk was dangerous ...

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875150194909823085

Starmer was complicit in the RAPE OF BRITAIN when he was head of Crown Prosecution for 6 years.

Starmer must go and he must face charges for his complicity in the worst mass crime in the history of Britain.

If you can stomach it, look at his feed (https://x.com/elonmusk) and see how many posts and reposts he is doing relating to right wing & far right activities esp. "Tommy Robinson". This is the beginning of the project to make Reform the next opposition. He will increasingly weaponize Twitter to push misinformation & propaganda as we head towards the next election. Remember when Obama made a remark about Brexit and was loudly rebuked for "interfering in British politics", well, I look forward to same comments towards Musk.

The man is a maniacal narcissist with too much money, entitlement and power

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

When I said Musk was dangerous ...

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875150194909823085



If you can stomach it, look at his feed (https://x.com/elonmusk) and see how many posts and reposts he is doing relating to right wing & far right activities esp. "Tommy Robinson". This is the beginning of the project to make Reform the next opposition. He will increasingly weaponize Twitter to push misinformation & propaganda as we head towards the next election. Remember when Obama made a remark about Brexit and was loudly rebuked for "interfering in British politics", well, I look forward to same comments towards Musk.

The man is a maniacal narcissist with too much money, entitlement and power

That starmer sounds like a wrong un

https://www.gbnews.com/news/rochdale...grooming-gangs

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

When I said Musk was dangerous ...

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875150194909823085



If you can stomach it, look at his feed (https://x.com/elonmusk) and see how many posts and reposts he is doing relating to right wing & far right activities esp. "Tommy Robinson". This is the beginning of the project to make Reform the next opposition. He will increasingly weaponize Twitter to push misinformation & propaganda as we head towards the next election. Remember when Obama made a remark about Brexit and was loudly rebuked for "interfering in British politics", well, I look forward to same comments towards Musk.

The man is a maniacal narcissist with too much money, entitlement and power

I don't understand Musk's obsession with this country. He lives in America, comes from South Africa and his main company Tesla has large factories in Germany, the USA and China. Yet he spends time sharing his views on the UK's ruling politicians. Bizarre.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I don't understand Musk's obsession with this country. He lives in America, comes from South Africa and his main company Tesla has large factories in Germany, the USA and China. Yet he spends time sharing his views on the UK's ruling politicians. Bizarre.

He sees another gullible population that can easily be manipulated . All fun, games and a power trip for him.