Starmer’s chronicles

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, he shouldn’t pay them. Everybody knew what was going to happen - the fuss is all over an admin oversight which meant they were not told officially by letter.

The issue here is simply that Starmer was supportive of the Waspi women’s case against the government while in opposition but has now abandoned them, having assumed power.

To me, the test is whether it was promised in their manifesto which voters elected them on. If it wasn't then it'd hard to criticise them for not doing something they didn't promise to do.

[papa smurf]

UK economy showed no growth in last quarter, revised figures show
Revised figures show the UK economy flatlined in the third quarter of the year. This came after legal services firms and bars and restaurants recorded a weaker than expected performance.

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-econom...-show-13279039


https://www.gbnews.com/money/gdp-fla...ession-warning

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

UK economy showed no growth in last quarter, revised figures show
Revised figures show the UK economy flatlined in the third quarter of the year. This came after legal services firms and bars and restaurants recorded a weaker than expected performance.

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-econom...-show-13279039


https://www.gbnews.com/money/gdp-fla...ession-warning

This was also when the new government were talking up the economy, saying how good a shape it was in, encouraging people to spend their money and promising a budget that would be pro-business and not scaring the bejesus out of everyone so that they stayed at home and saved their money.……………or did I dream that?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

This was also when the new government were talking up the economy, saying how good a shape it was in, encouraging people to spend their money and promising a budget that would be pro-business and not scaring the bejesus out of everyone so that they stayed at home and saved their money.……………or did I dream that?

The thing to remember is the grown up's are in charge and this is a budget for growth, we should all be feeling flush but the economy has been flushed

Think of it as taking over a house the previous occupants trashed, and who left a mess behind - it takes time, cost, and effort to get it back to a reasonable standard before you can make the improvements you want.

Anyone who expects overnight fixes (by whoever is in power) is deluding themselves, or just going for cheap political points…

[papa smurf]

There's always one
and it's always the same one

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

There's always one
and it's always the same one

I know, him and the facts are very irritating

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

We know that, the £22Bn black hole is/was a Labour fabrication.

So where did Sunak's 'Eat out to help out' funding come from? Where did the £billions of furlough pay come from? Debt.
That's not to say that the budget raised more than I think was necessary, but the Covid debt is reality.

Originally Posted by Mr K

I know, him and the facts are very irritating

Oy!

Facts find that statement objectionable…

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

To me, the test is whether it was promised in their manifesto which voters elected them on. If it wasn't then it'd hard to criticise them for not doing something they didn't promise to do.

Starmer and Reeves promised the Waspi women they would support them. But they haven’t.

That is the issue, not whether it was in the manifesto.

As to whether they will honour their manifesto….the economy isn’t looking too good is it? Do you think we’ll ever get that growth they have based their spending plans on?

Labour don’t have a clue when it comes to the economy and the private sector. We should all be worried.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Starmer and Reeves promised the Waspi women they would support them. But they haven’t.

That is the issue, not whether it was in the manifesto.

As to whether they will honour their manifesto….the economy isn’t looking too good is it? Do you think we’ll ever get that growth they have based their spending plans on?

Labour don’t have a clue when it comes to the economy and the private sector. We should all be worried.

You were warned about the economy but you dismissed it as Project Fear. I'm not pretending the sluggish economy since 2021 is due to just one factor and I hope you're sensible enough to do the same.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Think of it as taking over a house the previous occupants trashed, and who left a mess behind - it takes time, cost, and effort to get it back to a reasonable standard before you can make the improvements you want.

Anyone who expects overnight fixes (by whoever is in power) is deluding themselves, or just going for cheap political points…

A pretty much spot on unbiased political analysis.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You were warned about the economy but you dismissed it as Project Fear. I'm not pretending the sluggish economy since 2021 is due to just one factor and I hope you're sensible enough to do the same.

I don’t know what point of time you are talking about, and why this comment is relevant.

Labour told us they were not going to hit working people and they would grow the economy. That was their pledge, and yet look what has happened. Working people have been hit by the prospect of redundancy and increased unemployment following their clumsy legislation introducing increased rates of NI employers’ contributions and all the other measures proudly put forward by our Rach and there has been no growth in the economy for the last three months on Labour’s watch.

That’s nothing to do with the Conservatives, it is Labour’s own self inflicted wounds.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don’t know what point of time you are talking about, and why this comment is relevant.

Labour told us they were not going to hit working people and they would grow the economy. That was their pledge, and yet look what has happened. Working people have been hit by the prospect of redundancy and increased unemployment following their clumsy legislation introducing increased rates of NI employers’ contributions and all the other measures proudly put forward by our Rach and there has been no growth in the economy for the last three months on Labour’s watch.

That’s nothing to do with the Conservatives, it is Labour’s own self inflicted wounds.

Over what timescale? Labour can't be blamed for the massive debt the last Govt kept hidden. You (and others) gave the last Govt 14 years and voted for national suicide (Brexit) . An ageing non productive population is the result. Take some responsibility for your actions and give this Govt the same time to put things right. A few months isnt reasonable. We need to stop wasting money on rich pensioners and give the few youngsters left in this country some hope and reason to stay here. It'll take decades to recover from ancient little Englanders and their constant whinging about their own decisions.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Over what timescale? Labour can't be blamed for the massive debt the last Govt kept hidden. You (and others) gave the last Govt 14 years and voted for national suicide (Brexit) . An ageing non productive population is the result. Take some responsibility for your actions and give this Govt the same time to put things right. A few months isnt reasonable. We need to stop wasting money on rich pensioners and give the few youngsters left in this country some hope and reason to stay here. It'll take decades to recover from ancient little Englanders and their constant whinging about their own decisions.

I can't work out how pensioners became filthy rich under the Tory's but everyone else became poor