14-12-2024, 23:49
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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What’s the difference between the two? .
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Nothing, Labour being just a further lurch farther left than the Tories.
I wasn’t suggesting the Tories would be in, in five years ……….far from it, at the moment.
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15-12-2024, 01:26
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
Our current Parliament does not actually reflect the will of the people.
Reform U.K. is now the party to watch.
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15-12-2024, 01:43
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Our current Parliament does not actually reflect the will of the people.
Reform U.K. is now the party to watch.
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You know we did this big thing about 6 months ago like a big vote they call it a ' general election' it sort of reflects public opinion well enough they let people govern for 5 year periods and that.
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15-12-2024, 08:32
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by jfman
You know we did this big thing about 6 months ago like a big vote they call it a ' general election' it sort of reflects public opinion well enough they let people govern for 5 year periods and that.
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Well, maybe you missed the fact that Labour didn’t as much win that election, the Conservatives lost it. The percentage of the Labour vote was little changed from Corbyn’s day as Leader.
Reform UK split the Conservative vote, many stayed at home and others voted for ‘change’ without seeming to understand what kind of change they wanted.
If you haven’t picked up on the disappointment with Labour that has swept the country since the election, you need to polish your antenna.
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15-12-2024, 10:08
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
So, by your "logic", it’s a "fact" that Johnson didn’t as much win the 2019 Election, Corbyn lost it…
OK, then…
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15-12-2024, 10:39
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Our current Parliament does not actually reflect the will of the people.
Reform U.K. is now the party to watch.
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Under our electoral system Reform are splitting the Right vote which will keep both parties out of power for a long time. Used to think our system was unfair, now beginning to like it 
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15-12-2024, 11:07
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Under our electoral system Reform are splitting the Right vote which will keep both parties out of power for a long time. Used to think our system was unfair, now beginning to like it |
They’re splitting the left too.
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15-12-2024, 11:18
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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So, by your "logic", it’s a "fact" that Johnson didn’t as much win the 2019 Election, Corbyn lost it…
OK, then…
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How did you come to that conclusion? Johnson won the election due to his stance on Brexit.
The Conservatives lost this last election because they failed to deliver.
Wherever did you get the idea that Labour was actually popular?
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15-12-2024, 11:38
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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How did you come to that conclusion? Johnson won the election due to his stance on Brexit.
The Conservatives lost this last election because they failed to deliver.
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Tbf that was impossible to deliver. The promises of goodies and living happily ever
after were lies. It was only a matter of time before they were found out.
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15-12-2024, 12:10
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Tbf that was impossible to deliver. The promises of goodies and living happily ever
after were lies. It was only a matter of time before they were found out.
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15-12-2024, 12:22
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
How did you come to that conclusion? Johnson won the election due to his stance on Brexit.
The Conservatives lost this last election because they failed to deliver.
Wherever did you get the idea that Labour was actually popular?
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More popular than the others…
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15-12-2024, 12:23
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
How did you come to that conclusion? Johnson won the election due to his stance on Brexit.
The Conservatives lost this last election because they failed to deliver.
Wherever did you get the idea that Labour was actually popular?
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I was just using your, for lack of a better word, "logic", but it seems your view is if the Tories wins they’re "popular", if Labour wins, it’s because the Tories are unpopular.
It’s almost as if only your viewpoint is the valid one, and everyone else is wrong - anyway, that’s enough about 2035…
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15-12-2024, 12:30
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
This might be useful
Turnout at the 2024 general election was 59.7%, which was the lowest at a general election since 2001. Turnout was 7.6 percentage points lower than in 2019.This represented the largest drop in turnout between elections since between 1997 and 2001.
The chart below shows turnout at general elections since 1918, during which time it has varied between 57.2% (1918) and 83.5% (1950). Since the drop in 2001, turnout has never fully returned to the levels between the 1922 and 1997.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...-2024-turnout/
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16-12-2024, 20:31
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
I suspect that the hastily mentioned council mergers are just an excuse to delay elections next year. Starmer knows he's going to get a kicking but he also knows the electorate has a very poor memory.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...r-nigel-farage
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16-12-2024, 23:04
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
The reforms are pretty radical I am surprised it's not reported on more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c30n72j4nrqo
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Local government across England is often referred to as a patchwork.
Some places have both district and county councils that each provide some services; some places have one council that does everything, and some places have a mayor who oversees that.
Rayner's plan is to make the system similar across England. So bins and libraries, planning and leisure centres will all fall under one, single council.
Neighbouring areas would then be grouped together under what's called a strategic authority with a directly elected metro mayor. Recent examples of this include Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire, who now fall under the East Midlands Combined County Authority, and elected their first mayor, Labour's Claire Ward, in May.
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The Mayors would also have the power to override planning decisions allowing them to consider the entire region rather than what might be a very NIMBY council.
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Local mayors are to be given powers over their area's transport under the plans.
It could mean London-style networks, where buses and light commuter trains are all run as part of the same system.
Some areas which already have mayors are doing this already. Greater Manchester has taken all bus services back under control as part of the Bee Network alongside its Meterolink tram, with plans to add commuter trains to the system by 2028.
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And this makes sense although it would take a while to implement as presumably you need to wait for the private contracts to expire.
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