Starmer’s chronicles

[Russ]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's reform for wales next election, huge pictures of Nigel on every corner, an end to that silly welsh language, normal road speeds, and an end to devolved governments

So the party you’d like to see in Wales would end their own reign via reversing Devolution? I guess that’s Deform thinking right there. Fortunately Deform won’t get in here.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Is it, though? Labour's reign in Wales has been sub-par of late. Maybe like the Conservatives they need some time to re-energise in Opposition. Or does Plaid Cymru provide the real opposition in Wales?

The Tories don’t stand a chance, we can forget about them. I think I’d be happy with Plaid but much like the rest, they have no experience in Government.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

no

Genuinely spoken by someone who has never been here

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Russ

So the party you’d like to see in Wales would end their own reign via reversing Devolution? I guess that’s Deform thinking right there. Fortunately Deform won’t get in here.

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The Tories don’t stand a chance, we can forget about them. I think I’d be happy with Plaid but much like the rest, they have no experience in Government.

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Genuinely spoken by someone who has never been here

apart from the 6 months i worked in Swansea and stayed in Porthcawl

[Russ]

6 months? Cute

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

apart from the 6 months i worked in Swansea and stayed in Porthcawl

Don't blaming for getting out !

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Is it, though? Labour's reign in Wales has been sub-par of late. Maybe like the Conservatives they need some time to re-energise in Opposition. Or does Plaid Cymru provide the real opposition in Wales?

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An interesting development but would Reform just split the small right-wing vote in a traditionally left-wing country?

Sub-par of late! Their reign has been sub-par for the 25 years they have been running it.

Plaid Cymru are worse than Labour, they are even further to the left than Welsh Labour and just want more money from Westminster to waste on vanity projects. Plaid are the nasty party of Wales, not just nasty to anyone who has a different view but there's been a toxic atmosphere within the party.

The history of Plaid is very interesting (for us in Wales), their original aim was to unite the people of Wales and that included everyone living in Wales no matter where they came from. The aim quickly changed when Saunders Lewis took control, it then all focused on the Welsh language and using fire or whatever means to rid Wales of the English.

Labour have been running the show in Wales for too long, my local council is a similar example, we have had a Labour council for over 100 years. Just like the Labour run Welsh assembly (I refuse to refer to the shower as a government), voters spend 5 years complaining about them then repeat the cycle.

Reform are our only hope, I stupidly voted for the Welsh Assembly when I should have had more sense to realise it would be a Labour run shower. Labour have been gradually losing their lead in the assembly and in my local area, but the gradual loss is not quick enough for me.

I really think that Keir Starmer and his inexperienced team in number 10 are going to help those of us in Wales who want to see the back of Labour. I would estimate that by the time of the Welsh elections, the voter will be sick of hearing Starmer almost weekly stating what his plans are but not seeing any of them implemented other than some damaging policies.

If I thought Starmer was an intelligent politician, I would think he was getting all the unpopular stuff out of the way so the silly voters would forget by the next election, but I don't think he has that level of intelligence.

I just wonder how bad things will be in five years if by some miracle he's still there.

[Russ]

lol Plaid aren’t the nasty party of Wales at all, that would be the Tories. Your claim of “vanity projects” is complete conjecture seeing as they haven’t been in power to prove you right. Despite what some people clearly believe, being pro-Wales is not anti-English. You all adore Trump who is pro-America but you don’t see that as anti-rest-of-the-world.

I wouldn’t directly vote for Plaid (unless it was to keep the Tories out) but if Labour lose a Welsh election I’d prefer them to be in power than the cheating, lying corrupt idiots in Blue.

[papa smurf]

UK economy shrinks again

The economy remained in reverse gear during October, according to official figures covering the month ahead of the government's first budget.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) said output fell 0.1% following the 0.1% decline recorded for the previous month.

It marked the first time since the COVID pandemic that the economy had shrunk for two consecutive months.

The figures showed zero growth in the powerhouse services sector, with manufacturing and construction declining at a pace of 0.6% and 0.4% respectively.



https://news.sky.com/story/economy-i...tober-13272524


where is the promised economic growth

[jfman]

Changing the colour of tie doesn't resolve that we're in a failed economic model.

[Escapee]

But Plaid have been in power in Wales, they did a deal with Labour, Plaid would do a deal with the devil or even Hitler for a bit of power. The cost of that deal was for Labour to bow to some of Plaid's mad money spending schemes.

I remember at the last Welsh elections, the leader of Plaid on camera being interviewed and saying "Under no circumstances will Plaid be propping up a Labour government in Wales", about 3 weeks later that's exactly what they did, they did a dirty deal to hang on the coat tails of Labour.

I am pro Wales, I have lived here all of my life but the difference between me and Plaid is I don't have hatred for anyone with different views and I don't expect the majority to adhere to the views of the minority.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

Changing the colour of tie doesn't resolve that we're in a failed economic model.

We're well and truly in Rachael's doom loop of economic "growth"

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Escapee

But Plaid have been in power in Wales, they did a deal with Labour, Plaid would do a deal with the devil or even Hitler for a bit of power. The cost of that deal was for Labour to bow to some of Plaid's mad money spending schemes.

I remember at the last Welsh elections, the leader of Plaid on camera being interviewed and saying "Under no circumstances will Plaid be propping up a Labour government in Wales", about 3 weeks later that's exactly what they did, they did a dirty deal to hang on the coat tails of Labour.

I am pro Wales, I have lived here all of my life but the difference between me and Plaid is I don't have hatred for anyone with different views and I don't expect the majority to adhere to the views of the minority.

They’ve been partly in power, which isn’t the same as being the majority party which I’m pretty sure you’ll know.

And don’t forget as we were told repeatedly over the past 14 years, “all politicians lie”.

It’s amazing how much a majority partner will give to a minor party from the lunatic fringe on order to stay in power though. In Scotland we were saddled with Green Party MSPs in government for several years and it has been an utter disaster. Even the SNP isn’t stupid enough to have stuck with it for too long but they are now left unpicking a series of completely bat-turd crazy policies like banning log burning stoves in new houses, even in remote rural areas far from mains gas and reliable electricity; massive no-fishing zones that would have devastated entire coastal communities; a bottle return scheme with berserker-level recycling requirements that were simply unworkable; and, not forgetting, the gender-woo-woo nonsense that is now slowly being unpicked by the UK Supreme Court.

UK devolution is, all told, a massive advert against proportional representation of any kind. All it does is shackle reasonably sensible mainstream parties to utter loonies.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

where is the promised economic growth

You knew what you voted for in 2016 didn't you?

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Originally Posted by Russ

They’ve been partly in power, which isn’t the same as being the majority party which I’m pretty sure you’ll know.

And don’t forget as we were told repeatedly over the past 14 years, “all politicians lie”.

Routemasters, Garden Bridge, loss-making London cable car are what I think of when people mention vanity projects.

What are the current ones?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You knew what you voted for in 2016 didn't you?

Jesus, have a day off.

The economy was growing in July.

Their disastrous budget has killed growth. You don’t encourage growth by increasing costs to businesses.

I would have thought an “economist” such a as Rachel from Customer Services would have known that?


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https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...#liveblog-body

She “hopes” growth will return………..F’n hopes!

Yeah, we all do, I hope for lots of things, like world peace but for other things I have a plan that I have researched and have decent idea of what the outcome will be if I complete all my tasks satisfactorily.

I think it’s time Labour realise that they’re not in opposition anymore.

14yrs of just commenting on things, and making claims they don’t have to follow through with is long over.

[Taf]

People are starting to realise that even the Civil Service pays National Insurance as an employer. Robbing Peter to pay Paul? Or will they be given an exemption by Robber Reeves?