Starmer’s chronicles

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

The 10 million innocent victims aren't laughing

I know people who won't qualify for the allowance but they aren't adopting a victim mentality. They said it was good whilst it lasted but appreciate that the country's finances got screwed during Covid and they're willing to do their bit to get the country back on its feet, even if they aren't particular fans of the Labour front benches. They've lived through far tougher times in the past and would be appalled to think someone describes them as victims.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I know people who won't qualify for the allowance but they aren't adopting a victim mentality. They said it was good whilst it lasted but appreciate that the country's finances got screwed during Covid and they're willing to do their bit to get the country back on its feet, even if they aren't particular fans of the Labour front benches. They've lived through far tougher times in the past and would be appalled to think someone describes them as victims.

Willing to freeze to death for the party ,i take my hat gloves and coats off to them.

[Russ]

I wasn’t aware wealth re-distribution was such a bad thing.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Russ

I wasn’t aware wealth re-distribution was such a bad thing.

How much would you like to give

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf View Post

How much would you like to give

I'm not convinced that someone that can afford a pleasure boat, desperately needs a few shillings from the tax payer to put in the meter.



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[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Escapee

I did have a chuckle at the title "Plan for change", it reminded me of the "Planning for growth" when I worked at ntl when they made loads of people redundant and ended up in Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

I remember it well, i only just survived that. Still here after 30 years

As for Labours war on pensioners i am pretty sure those pensioners that survive the next 5 winters will damn well remember this at the next elections.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Willing to freeze to death for the party ,i take my hat gloves and coats off to them.

They won't and they're not as political party oriented as you suggest. They've worked hard all their lives and don't subscribe to your handout culture. If the government wants to give them free money they're not going to say no, but they don't put the heating on just because they get a hand out.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I remember it well, i only just survived that. Still here after 30 years

As for Labours war on pensioners i am pretty sure those pensioners that survive the next 5 winters will damn well remember this at the next elections.

Already constructing the death star

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I remember it well, i only just survived that. Still here after 30 years

As for Labours war on pensioners i am pretty sure those pensioners that survive the next 5 winters will damn well remember this at the next elections.

I survived too, but decided enough was enough at the end of 2000. How time flies.

I reckon Labour have their fingers crossed that they don't survive.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Escapee

I reckon Labour have their fingers crossed that they don't survive.

Pensioners don't tend to vote for Labour anyway ! They are as likely to gain votes from other age groups that agree with the reforms.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Pensioners don't tend to vote for Labour anyway ! They are as likely to gain votes from other age groups that agree with the reforms.

Agreed if you look at the country as a whole. In South Wales it's a different story, the majority vote Labour from cradle (if they had their way in the bay) to the grave.

[Russ]

And if that keeps the Tories out of Wales then it’s never a bad thing.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Russ

And if that keeps the Tories out of Wales then it’s never a bad thing.

It's reform for wales next election, huge pictures of Nigel on every corner, an end to that silly welsh language, normal road speeds, and an end to devolved governments

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Russ

And if that keeps the Tories out of Wales then it’s never a bad thing.

Is it, though? Labour's reign in Wales has been sub-par of late. Maybe like the Conservatives they need some time to re-energise in Opposition. Or does Plaid Cymru provide the real opposition in Wales?

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's reform for wales next election, huge pictures of Nigel on every corner, an end to that silly welsh language, normal road speeds, and an end to devolved governments

An interesting development but would Reform just split the small right-wing vote in a traditionally left-wing country?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Is it, though? Labour's reign in Wales has been sub-par of late. Maybe like the Conservatives they need some time to re-energise in Opposition. Or does Plaid Cymru provide the real opposition in Wales?

---------- Post added at 18:30 ---------- Previous post was at 18:28 ----------


An interesting development but would Reform just split the small right-wing vote in a traditionally left-wing country?

no