Starmer’s chronicles

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Escapee

That ship has sailed.

Yup, RMS Titanic aka Liz Truss.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I'm not sure how Sir Paul McCartney and Sir Elton John are going to cope without their fuel allowance this year.
Maybe we have a fund raising concert for them?

The allowance being paid out to everyone regardless of income was clearly daft. Reform was long overdue.

That sums you up, insanely jealous of anyone with money ,that seems to be a theme running throughout labour, harm 10 million to get at 2 people who had the nerve to get rich off their talent

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Yup, RMS Titanic aka Liz Truss.

Starmers just relaunched the titanic

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

That sums you up, insanely jealous of anyone with money ,that seems to be a theme running throughout labour, harm 10 million to get at 2 people who had the nerve to get rich off their talent

Should Sir Paul and Sir Elton get the winter fuel allowance? If so, please justify it, and why money should be diverted to affluent pensioners who don't need it, instead of the NHS and struggling young families.

Thing is the Tories would have probably had to do exactly the same thing if by some miracle they won the last election. Public finances and in tatters thanks to 14 years of destroying the country, so a few rich could get richer.

Anyway Sir Paul and Sir Elton and other pensioners are more than protected by the 'triple lock' which more than cancels the WFA loss. So that's all good (for them).

Young people today probably won't get any state pension. But are expected to fund current pensioners. It stinks tbh.

There is a difference between whether they "should" get it, and whether they "need" it.

If the rules say (or said) they should get it, then they should, thats what you have rules for.

If you think only people who "need" it should get it, then you need a system to base that on, which we have.
People who miss out based on such checks will always complain they "should" get it, no matter where you draw the line.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Should Sir Paul and Sir Elton get the winter fuel allowance? If so, please justify it, and why money should be diverted to affluent pensioners who don't need it, instead of the NHS and struggling young families.

Thing is the Tories would have probably had to do exactly the same thing if by some miracle they won the last election. Public finances and in tatters thanks to 14 years of destroying the country, so a few rich could get richer.

Anyway Sir Paul and Sir Elton and other pensioners are more than protected by the 'triple lock' which more than cancels the WFA loss. So that's all good (for them).

Young people today probably won't get any state pension. But are expected to fund current pensioners. It stinks tbh.

i hear that the government are going to drastically cut NHS pensions so that should cheer you the young uns up

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i hear that the government are going to drastically cut NHS pensions so that should cheer you the young uns up

Do you have a link or is it just that you feel they have the skills to do this?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Do you have a link or is it just that you feel they have the skills to do this?

It's information from a family member who works in the NHS

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's information from a family member who works in the NHS

Are they in the 1995/2008 Scheme and the 2015 Scheme?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Are they in the 1995/2008 Scheme and the 2015 Scheme?

No idea, it came from a relative who works in the NHS [hospital admin of some sort] they came to visit other family, it was the first time i have seen them since i was a teenager she was only 2 when the family left the area they've gone back to Doncaster now.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

No idea, it came from a relative who works in the NHS [hospital admin of some sort] they came to visit other family, it was the first time i have seen them since i was a teenager she was only 2 when the family left the area they've gone back to Doncaster now.

I don't think it's news, it's something that happened in 2022.
https://ifamagazine.com/200000-nhs-w...-of-awareness/

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I don't think it's news, it's something that happened in 2022.
https://ifamagazine.com/200000-nhs-w...-of-awareness/

Your the expert have it your way, i don't really care i'm in a different pension scheme

[tweetiepooh]

Maybe a scheme to simply pay out to all pensioners is cheaper than a means tested system and all the bureaucracy needed to maintain that and the reports about how someone's granny has been denied the payment because <fill reason here> while someone gets it because <fill reason here>.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Maybe a scheme to simply pay out to all pensioners is cheaper than a means tested system and all the bureaucracy needed to maintain that and the reports about how someone's granny has been denied the payment because <fill reason here> while someone gets it because <fill reason here>.

But we have to punish Elton and Paul McCartney to satisfy labours hatred of anyone with money, the mere fact that 10 million other pensioners are harmed is irrelevant to labour

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

But we have to punish Elton and Paul McCartney to satisfy labours hatred of anyone with money, the mere fact that 10 million other pensioners are harmed is irrelevant to labour

I think if you asked them if they were being punished, they would laugh at you.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think if you asked them if they were being punished, they would laugh at you.

The 10 million innocent victims aren't laughing