10-12-2024, 13:34
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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At some point - and it won’t be 2029 - someone will credibly float rejoining. The question then is whether it hits a critical mass to become politically palatable by the later end of the 2030s by which time the last referendum will have been almost 25 years earlier.
None of this tinkering round the edges is going to provide a palatable outcome for anyone in the interim.
Leaving was very much a niche political position only 10 years before the referendum. So things can move (relatively) fast.
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I agree. Whilst polling still favours rejoining the EU last time I saw the polls, it's too divisive an issue for any mainstream party to advocate for at the next election.
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10-12-2024, 17:07
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Eventually the population will tire of discussing how we “reset” our relationship with the EU - as we speak those conversations are now almost 8 years old. So we either end up out under terms the EU permit or in.
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10-12-2024, 19:16
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by jfman
At some point - and it won’t be 2029 - someone will credibly float rejoining. The question then is whether it hits a critical mass to become politically palatable by the later end of the 2030s by which time the last referendum will have been almost 25 years earlier.
None of this tinkering round the edges is going to provide a palatable outcome for anyone in the interim.
Leaving was very much a niche political position only 10 years before the referendum. So things can move (relatively) fast.
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Who knows what the EU, or the wider Geo-political landscape, will look like in the late 2030’s
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10-12-2024, 19:50
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Who knows what the EU, or the wider Geo-political landscape, will look like in the late 2030’s
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Despite the predictions on here of countries like the Netherlands and Ireland leaving, the EU has proved pretty resilient. I don't see its membership changing much over the next ten years, maybe a couple of small additions. As for the geopolitical landscape, that's somewhat harder to tie down than a trade deal with the US.
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10-12-2024, 19:53
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Despite the predictions on here of countries like the Netherlands and Ireland leaving, the EU has proved pretty resilient. I don't see its membership changing much over the next ten years, maybe a couple of small additions. As for the geopolitical landscape, that's somewhat harder to tie down than a trade deal with the US.
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you didn't see the UK leaving but we did 
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10-12-2024, 20:03
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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It was even Stevens. Not sure who 'we' is but if there's royalty in the house, mine's a pint! 
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10-12-2024, 20:07
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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It was even Stevens. Not sure who 'we' is but if there's royalty in the house, mine's a pint! |
We British
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10-12-2024, 20:19
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Despite the predictions on here of countries like the Netherlands and Ireland leaving, the EU has proved pretty resilient. I don't see its membership changing much over the next ten years, maybe a couple of small additions. As for the geopolitical landscape, that's somewhat harder to tie down than a trade deal with the US.
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Maybe no change, or little change, in membership. I was thinking more about who call the tune. Germany and France in decline, Eastern European countries getting stronger, refuting mass migration and the issues that brings.
Who knows what it will all look like?
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10-12-2024, 20:25
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Maybe no change, or little change, in membership. I was thinking more about who call the tune. Germany and France in decline, Eastern European countries getting stronger, refuting mass migration and the issues that brings.
Who knows what it will all look like?
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A bureaucratic nightmare like it is now
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11-12-2024, 22:48
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I'd agree with this thinking. The demographics make rejoining inevitable - see: https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/...hics-of-rejoin.
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12-12-2024, 06:32
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Reminds me of the Disco Stu sketch in The Simpsons.
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Did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending 1976, if these trends continue...AY!
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12-12-2024, 07:31
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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A bureaucratic nightmare like it is now
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So true
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12-12-2024, 07:39
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Re: Britain outside the EU
I think the EU is still accepting Klingons if any of you want to live there
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12-12-2024, 11:36
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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A bureaucratic nightmare like it is now
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I fear your dislike for our country's European allies may blind you to the facts. The UK is the 77th least bureaucratic country in the World, well behind many EU countries like Ireland, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy and France.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...oogle_vignette
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12-12-2024, 12:01
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I fear your dislike for our country's European allies may blind you to the facts. The UK is the 77th least bureaucratic country in the World, well behind many EU countries like Ireland, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy and France.
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1 i was referring to the EU as a bureaucratic nightmare
2 i have no dislike of Europeans the mother of my children is half Italian and moved here from Denmark just before i met her
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