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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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One should not insult voters whatever political party they vote for as "One man's meat is another man's poison". 
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02-12-2024, 19:15
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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l suppose you have been asleep for the 14 years that the Conservatives were in power in which they wrecked havoc on this country.
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The Conservatives became very wishy-washy after Boris left and never came back. They completely lost the will to survive. The battle between left and right within the party didn’t help.
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One should not insult voters whatever political party they vote for as "One man's meat is another man's poison". |
Blimey, you’ve changed your tune, Den! 
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02-12-2024, 19:48
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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The Conservatives became very wishy-washy after Boris left and never came back. They completely lost the will to survive. The battle between left and right within the party didn’t help.
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they don't like it up em captain mainwaring
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02-12-2024, 19:57
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
The Conservatives became very wishy-washy after Boris left and never came back. They completely lost the will to survive. The battle between left and right within the party didn’t help.
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Slight correction - "the battle between "centre-right" and the "ReformUK-wannabes" within the party didn’t help”…
Sounds like your definition of "left" is "anyone slightly to the left of Marine Le Pen…"
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02-12-2024, 21:52
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Slight correction - "the battle between "centre-right" and the "ReformUK-wannabes" within the party didn’t help”…
Sounds like your definition of "left" is "anyone slightly to the left of Marine Le Pen…" |
Left wing for Old Boy is someone like Michael Heseltine. Centre right is Badenoch and right-wing is Andrew Tate.
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02-12-2024, 22:30
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Slight correction - "the battle between "centre-right" and the "ReformUK-wannabes" within the party didn’t help”…
Sounds like your definition of "left" is "anyone slightly to the left of Marine Le Pen…" |
If you think the outgoing Tory party was “centre right”, I have a bridge you may be interested in buying.
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03-12-2024, 12:03
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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If you think the outgoing Tory party was “centre right”, I have a bridge you may be interested in buying.
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And if you think the outgoing Tory party was "left", I can see why you have a bridge…
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03-12-2024, 14:25
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Double standards just think what labour would be screaming when in opposition. More to the point it really calls the PMs judgement, if true that he knew all about what happened.
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Is there any real legitimacy in judging someone not on what they have done but what they might have done?
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03-12-2024, 14:26
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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And if you think the outgoing Tory party was "left", I can see why you have a bridge…
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They were a bunch of Maggie Thatcher’s ‘wets’. No wonder people are turning to Farage.
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03-12-2024, 15:33
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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They were a bunch of Maggie Thatcher’s ‘wets’. No wonder people are turning to Farage.
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Pretty sure the Tories regarded as "wets" were all binned by BJ…
Anyway, Thatcher’s not been in power for over 34 years - pretty sure most of the Tory MPs who stood in the 2024 Election wouldn’t have been MPs when she was in power…
Amusing you think people like Redwood, Jenkins, Patel, Badenoch, Rees-Mogg, Truss, Kwarteng, Steve Baker, Buckland, Coffey, Philip Davies, Liam Fox, Fabricant, Gillis, etc. are "wets" - says more about you than them…
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03-12-2024, 15:58
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
Also, it's nonsense. Every time a party loses an election a radical element claims it's because they were not right or left-wing enough. Everyone always thinks that if the party had embraced their politics they would have won.
It's results that matter, Tories didn't deliver. The economy was largely stagnant for well over a decade, the NHS waiting lists just kept going up and a general sense the state wasn't working.
Going to your right or left can work if it comes with a plan to deliver those results but that's not what the Tory right focused on. It was all about the 'vibe' of being right-wing which in the current Tory party is all about positioning yourself on culture war issues rather than economics.
If the Tories had gone to the right by radically changing our building regulations to make infrastructure spending cheaper and increase the supply of housing then that might have helped but few of the Tory right wants that because they're in hock to a base that is opposed to those things. So instead that whine about gender-neutral bathrooms.
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03-12-2024, 16:23
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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They were a bunch of Maggie Thatcher’s ‘wets’. No wonder people are turning to Farage.
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I don't recall this as your position prior to the election.
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03-12-2024, 16:33
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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I don't recall this as your position prior to the election.
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Was that before or after he assured us big tech would seize the Premier League rights from the incumbents?
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03-12-2024, 17:35
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Is there any real legitimacy in judging someone not on what they have done but what they might have done?
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Which one are you referring to. 1) decided by a court . 2) if he didn't know why on earth not , if he did my point stands 
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03-12-2024, 17:40
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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They were a bunch of Maggie Thatcher’s ‘wets’. No wonder people are turning to Farage.
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No I just think they are having a laugh at Farage and his antics.
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