Here comes the tax rises

Unknown, but I would imagine its the same issue.
I dont even know what their definition of "Public Sector" is.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Paul

I wasnt aware of this until today



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How ?

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I thought the promise was not to raise them for working people ?

Iirc it was something along the lines of not to tax people whose income came from PAYE etc.

I won’t disagree it’s a very tenuous area that they’ve changed the definition of more than once .

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Yes he did

Could you/would you explain that here ?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Paul

How

No point in increasing NI contributions for public sector employers. The Govt would have to pay the increase, to pay themselves the increased tax.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Don't mention the EU

This is relevant to the current budget since the Chancellor is trying to plug a fiscal shortfall to fund public services and investment. The shortfall would be 40 Billion less each year if we went back into the Single Market.

As time goes on, the cost of staying outside will be more and more apparent even to Starmer. This would mean, in the context of this thread, the need for lower tax levels and more growth in the economy.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

This is relevant to the current budget since the Chancellor is trying to plug a fiscal shortfall to fund public services and investment. The shortfall would be 40 Billion less each year if we went back into the Single Market.

As time goes on, the cost of staying outside will be more and more apparent even to Starmer. This would mean, in the context of this thread, the need for lower tax levels and more growth in the economy.

Only if he continues to avoid utilising the freedoms we attained by leaving the EU.

We’re still waiting for the ‘bonfire of regulations’, so the will for the people is being cruelly ignored.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Only if he continues to avoid utilising the freedoms we attained by leaving the EU.

We’re still waiting for the ‘bonfire of regulations’, so the will for the people is being cruelly ignored.

The previous Govt of brave Brexiteers had over 4 years to burn the regs, but discovered they were actually needed. Who'd have thought?!

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The previous Govt of brave Brexiteers had over 4 years to burn the regs, but discovered they were actually needed. Who'd have thought?!

Currently 798 amended, 1,461 repealed, 41 replaced, 61 expired.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The previous Govt of brave Brexiteers had over 4 years to burn the regs, but discovered they were actually needed. Who'd have thought?!

No they just betrayed the voters who won the referendum ,that's part of the reason they're in opposition

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

No point in increasing NI contributions for public sector employers. The Govt would have to pay the increase, to pay themselves the increased tax.

How do you think the civil service and military are paid, only for them to hand back a good portion in IS and NI to their paymasters?

Also ref GPs:

"GPs are calling on the government to protect them from tax rises for employers announced at the Budget, warning it could hit services for patients.

The NHS and rest of the public sector are due to be shielded from a hike in National Insurance (NI) contributions from April next year.

But GP practices, which deliver NHS services but are mostly run as small businesses, are currently due to be hit by the rise."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79z87wzv2no

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Only if he continues to avoid utilising the freedoms we attained by leaving the EU.

We’re still waiting for the ‘bonfire of regulations’, so the will for the people is being cruelly ignored.

They could raise the tax on milk and honey and sunlit uplands when we get there I suppose. It'll raise a few quid I'm sure.

[ianch99]

The reason I discussed the 40 Billion shortfall per year was not to revisit the old contentious process by which this arose, rather to highlight the inevitable point in the future when we re-join the single market to address the shortfall.

This will not happen in this parliament but what will happen is the realisation that it needs to happen in some form within 10 years.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by ianch99

The reason I discussed the 40 Billion shortfall per year was not to revisit the old contentious process by which this arose, rather to highlight the inevitable point in the future when we re-join the single market to address the shortfall.

This will not happen in this parliament but what will happen is the realisation that it needs to happen in some form within 10 years.

Unfortunately it's akin to watching coal form. People, especially politicians, can't admit it when they got it badly wrong.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Currently 798 amended, 1,461 repealed, 41 replaced, 61 expired.

A meaningless set of numbers unless the total amount is also provided. I wonder why you haven’t ?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

A meaningless set of numbers unless the total amount is also provided. I wonder why you haven’t ?

And where has anybody else provided the evidence for ZERO changes? 1,461 repealed is NOT zero changes.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Currently 798 amended, 1,461 repealed, 41 replaced, 61 expired.

And the tangible benefits** of those changes were*?

*nb - "sovereignty" is not a "tangible benefit"

** Tangible benefits are positive results that can be accurately measured and quantified with standard measurements. The term describes any kind of outcome that is directly associated with financial gain or loss.