Starmer’s chronicles

Originally Posted by Pierre

I look forward to it, they’ve got off to a great start to their journey.

I’m nearly 50, I’ve never seen a government, fail so miserably at first hurdle. It’s really quite something. I’ve always opposed Labour as a party, but their attitude is, well, “Tories did it too (Accept lavish freebies), but we declare it”, not quite understanding the optics of the acceptance of expensive gifts, all the while removing the WFA, for pensioners.

[papa smurf]

Blow to No 10's investment summit as port giant pulls £1bn announcement over P&O row
Dubai-based company DP World decides to review its plans following criticism by members of Sir Keir Starmer's cabinet about its subsidiary P&O Ferries.


https://news.sky.com/story/blow-to-n...o-row-13231876

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Blow to No 10's investment summit as port giant pulls £1bn announcement over P&O row
Dubai-based company DP World decides to review its plans following criticism by members of Sir Keir Starmer's cabinet about its subsidiary P&O Ferries.


https://news.sky.com/story/blow-to-n...o-row-13231876

With apologies to the OP of this thread, it seems it hasn’t taken long for the ships to desert the rats. Also, sorry for slightly updating the thread title .

The Achilles heel of every lefty activist is they don’t understand how the rules change when you cross the barricades. You can either go shouting revolution and decrying your enemies from the moral safety of the opposition benches, or you can win power, and use it wisely, getting your point across and winning people round by other means. But you can’t be both at the same time.

If Ms Haigh can’t stop herself from virtue-signalling she shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the dispatch box. And if she can’t cope with the reality that being in government means dealing with people you really, really don’t like, she shouldn’t be anywhere near government at all.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Chris

The Achilles heel of every lefty activist is they don’t understand how the rules change when you cross the barricades. You can either go shouting revolution and decrying your enemies from the moral safety of the opposition benches, or you can win power, and use it wisely, getting your point across and winning people round by other means. But you can’t be both at the same time.

If Ms Haigh can’t stop herself from virtue-signalling she shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the dispatch box. And if she can’t cope with the reality that being in government means dealing with people you really, really don’t like, she shouldn’t be anywhere near government at all.

that applies to life in general,we've all had to deal with people we don't like,we just use simple life skills to get past it ,unlike these numpties.

Originally Posted by Chris

The Achilles heel of every lefty activist is they don’t understand how the rules change when you cross the barricades. You can either go shouting revolution and decrying your enemies from the moral safety of the opposition benches, or you can win power, and use it wisely, getting your point across and winning people round by other means. But you can’t be both at the same time.

If Ms Haigh can’t stop herself from virtue-signalling she shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the dispatch box. And if she can’t cope with the reality that being in government means dealing with people you really, really don’t like, she shouldn’t be anywhere near government at all.

They got a lot called a lot worse, rightly so, but the last government as well. Awful company.

I think they're more upset at the bill that Louise Haigh was defending and are using hurt feelings as an excuse.

[papa smurf]

Sir Keir Starmer is marking his first 100 days in office. When his press spokesperson was asked ahead of the big day if the prime minister thought it had been a successful start, he simply said: "It's up to the public to decide that."

The verdict is in, and it isn't good: Sir Keir's approval poll ratings last week fell to -33 - a drop of 44 points since his post-election high, while one poll put Labour just one point ahead of the Tories.

A poll out this weekend by YouGov finds nearly half of those who voted Labour in the last general election feel let down so far, while six in 10 disapprove of the government's record so far, against one in six who approve of the Starmer government.

https://news.sky.com/story/keir-star...-good-13232181

Originally Posted by Damien

They got a lot called a lot worse, rightly so, but the last government as well. Awful company.

I think they're more upset at the bill that Louise Haigh was defending and are using hurt feelings as an excuse.

Yes they are awful and I experienced powerful schadenfreude watching them get very carefully safety inspected, trapping several of their ferries in port for weeks after the sacking of UK based crews. The difference when the Tory government was giving them a good shoeing was they weren’t right on the brink of securing a massive wedge of cash from their parent company.

Politics and activism are not the same thing - something Haigh seems not to understand, and which makes her unsuited for front-bench service.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Yes they are awful and I experienced powerful schadenfreude watching them get very carefully safety inspected, trapping several of their ferries in port for weeks after the sacking of UK based crews. The difference when the Tory government was giving them a good shoeing was they weren’t right on the brink of securing a massive wedge of cash from their parent company.

Politics and activism are not the same thing - something Haigh seems not to understand, and which makes her unsuited for front-bench service.

She says that her speech was cleated by Downing Street. If so, plays into the operational competency question of the government. If not true, then I can't see Sr Keir ignoring that comment.

Otherwise, I've heard that she has gone down quite well with the sector and seems on top of her brief.

[Taf]

Rachel Reeves said Labour's election pledge not to increase National Insurance on "working people" related to the employee element, as opposed to the sum paid by employers.

Beware of the words of politicians. They have forked tongues and can speak half-truths with a smile on their faces.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Taf

Beware of the words of politicians. They have forked tongues and can speak half-truths with a smile on their faces.

That means an increase in taxes for me, as I pay employer and employee NI.

At least I have renewed the inside IR35 contract to a nominal 2.5 days a week term to reduce my tax burden. That's what people will do with the tax rises, if they are able to they will reduce the hours and days they work.

I'm also wondering what will happen in large overseas owned companies "for example" where the senior management dictates that the wage bill is not to be increased.

I can only see it resulting in job losses.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Escapee

That means an increase in taxes for me, as I pay employer and employee NI.

At least I have renewed the inside IR35 contract to a nominal 2.5 days a week term to reduce my tax burden. That's what people will do with the tax rises, if they are able to they will reduce the hours and days they work.

I'm also wondering what will happen in large overseas owned companies "for example" where the senior management dictates that the wage bill is not to be increased.

I can only see it resulting in job losses.

So where else would you get the £22 billion from,? The NHS, increase income tax or vat, cut disability benefits? Cutting employee national insurance was a pre election desperate Tory tax bribe that we couldn't afford. Now we have to pay for their incompetence.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

So where else would you get the £22 billion from,? The NHS, increase income tax or vat, cut disability benefits? Cutting employee national insurance was a pre election desperate Tory tax bribe that we couldn't afford. Now we have to pay for their incompetence.

I would personaly like to meet the financial genious who hid this phantom £22 billion black hole,they could hide a few quid for me.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I would personaly like to meet the financial genious who hid this phantom £22 billion black hole,they could hide a few quid for me.

Thing is the Tories would have faced exactly the same situation if they'd won the election. Maybe they'd have done exactly the same thing or more likely tried to destroy public services more. Splash the cash before an election with a mad NI cut, worry about it afterwards it by some miracle you're re-elected.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Thing is the Tories would have faced exactly the same situation if they'd won the election. Maybe they'd have done exactly the same thing or more likely tried to destroy public services more. Splash the cash before an election with a mad NI cut, worry about it afterwards it by some miracle you're re-elected.

If that was really the case, then Labour would've released the figures.
Still waiting for this to start.
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