General : TV360 - pro and cons

[Taf]

The lad has his own Tivo in his room, the other is in the living room.

Without telling us, he accepted the "free upgrade to 360" option a few days ago, and today received 2 remotes. No mini-box or associated cables and power supply.

In the literature, it says that the software will be upgraded and set "in 5 days after receiving the pack".

Will this only affect his Tivo, or the family one too? Wiping out all recordings and series link settings (there are about 140 on the family box)?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Taf

The lad has his own Tivo in his room, the other is in the living room.

Without telling us, he accepted the "free upgrade to 360" option a few days ago, and today received 2 remotes. No mini-box or associated cables and power supply.

In the literature, it says that the software will be upgraded and set "in 5 days after receiving the pack".

Will this only affect his Tivo, or the family one too? Wiping out all recordings and series link settings (there are about 140 on the family box)?

I had the 360 installed on both my boxes. So I would have thought the family box will be upgraded’ too.

Whenever you change the box or the software system, you will lose your recordings. I made a note of those I wished to retain, and added them to my watchlist when the 360 was installed.

It sounds to me that you will find the profiles useful. Bear in mind that your recordings will be shown on both boxes, but you will see where you left off only on your profile. So let’s say you are watching on your profile and ‘the lad’ is watching on his, you can pick the recording up where you left it on your profile, and ‘the lad’ will see where he left off on his. However, delete it and you’ve deleted it for all profiles.

That’s why it’s better to ‘add to watchlist’ rather than ‘record’ in most cases. It doesn’t matter if you delete a bookmark on your profile - the other profiles won’t be affected.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Taf

The lad has his own Tivo in his room, the other is in the living room.

Without telling us, he accepted the "free upgrade to 360" option a few days ago, and today received 2 remotes. No mini-box or associated cables and power supply.

In the literature, it says that the software will be upgraded and set "in 5 days after receiving the pack".

Will this only affect his Tivo, or the family one too? Wiping out all recordings and series link settings (there are about 140 on the family box)?

Yes, both boxes will be wiped, 'year zero' in more ways then one....

Get onto them pronto if you want to stop it.. If you're the account holder and didn't authorise this then you have good reason.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes, both boxes will be wiped, 'year zero' in more ways then one....

Get onto them pronto if you want to stop it.. If you're the account holder and didn't authorise this then you have good reason.

You are such a stick in the mud, Mr K!

[epsilon]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are such a stick in the mud, Mr K!

He's right though. Not everyone agrees with your relentless march towards the lowest common denominator.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by epsilon

He's right though. Not everyone agrees with your relentless march towards the lowest common denominator.

If it ain't broke don't fix it

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The missing features compared with the V6 are only minor, and there other other features on the 360 that in my opinion are better and more useful.

If I understand this correctly, some of the TiVo features are patented anyway.

I use QuickView, Suggestions, Wishlists and record radio & set series links for forthcoming series not yet on the EPG

Which services on the 360 replace or improve on the above?

[kgollop]

As I new 360 user, what on earth possessed them not to put a stop button on the remote!?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by epsilon

He's right though. Not everyone agrees with your relentless march towards the lowest common denominator.

It's not me making this happen! I'm just commentating on what appears to be playing out before our eyes..

Time marches on, and I'm not going to be left behind. Others may prefer to bury their heads in the sand. That's OK, it's not my problem.

There was a time when we thought those old Jerrold analogue boxes were the future. 25 years on and they have become relics of the past. It's only a matter of time before the V6s are discontinued, so I guess those who are resisting change should make the most of it in these final years of Virgin's association with the TiVo system.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by kgollop

As I new 360 user, what on earth possessed them not to put a stop button on the remote!?

Yeah that is a bummer.


I just use the back button, and either select delete or keep option

[epsilon]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's not me making this happen! I'm just commentating on what appears to be playing out before our eyes..

Time marches on, and I'm not going to be left behind. Others may prefer to bury their heads in the sand. That's OK, it's not my problem.

There was a time when we thought those old Jerrold analogue boxes were the future. 25 years on and they have become relics of the past. It's only a matter of time before the V6s are discontinued, so I guess those who are resisting change should make the most of it in these final years of Virgin's association with the TiVo system.

If Virgin choose not to pay for various licensed features and to devalue their devices, users can and will say ok, bye. Don't worry though, if Virgin plans to switch everyone over to XGS-PON, then neither the V6 nor the TV360 will work with that. The future probably isn't your vision for the TV360 but something else entirely. Whether or not TV customers stick with Virgin through the transition will be entirely dependent on what features they provide.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Yeah that is a bummer.


I just use the back button, and either select delete or keep option

It’s just a button! Just press pause or the back button instead! What’s the problem?

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I use QuickView, Suggestions, Wishlists and record radio & set series links for forthcoming series not yet on the EPG

Which services on the 360 replace or improve on the above?

We’ve already had this conversation. Whatever will you do when the IPTV switchover happens?

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Originally Posted by epsilon

If Virgin choose not to pay for various licensed features and to devalue their devices, users can and will say ok, bye. Don't worry though, if Virgin plans to switch everyone over to XGS-PON, then neither the V6 nor the TV360 will work with that. The future probably isn't your vision for the TV360 but something else entirely. Whether or not TV customers stick with Virgin through the transition will be entirely dependent on what features they provide.

I have never stated that the 360 has a long term future.

[Mr K]

My freeview recorder has a remote, with a stop button, very advanced it is.... No monthly charge either...
Seems to me one of the main problems with the 360 is the remote. Not everyone wants (or can) talk to it. Also not sure about the claim that all the Tivo features are copyrighted e.g. rewinding a few secs after fast forwarding, like to see the patent for that.... Its like some autistic nerd in a bedroom has dreamt this up, with no concept of how people use TV boxes.

Saw this on the VM forums, which sums up the lack of forethought for all customers...

I am a 70 year old pensioner with arthritic hands. I find the remote very difficult to use because:

1. It is so thin and light I keep dropping it, the old remote fit in my hand and had some weight to stabilise it.

2 the buttons are so flat and close together I find it difficult to get the correct one, the old remote had nice raised buttons that were better spaced.

3 why do so many functions need looking for in menus instead of easily accessed from the remote? Eg, clear, stop, delete.

I imagine the answer, as ever, is cost. These l
remotes seem very cheap and cheerful but are not really suited to people like myself, who were probably not considered, only the bottom line.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It’s just a button! Just press pause or the back button instead! What’s the problem?

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We’ve already had this conversation. Whatever will you do when the IPTV switchover happens?

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I have never stated that the 360 has a long term future.

I recall no such conversation. Can you copy/paste it here for me please?

If I like the IPTV system i'll have it, if not, I won't.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I recall no such conversation. Can you copy/paste it here for me please?

.

The pros and cons have been discussed at length in this same thread, Richard.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

If I like the IPTV system i'll have it, if not, I won't.

So you’d rather not watch TV at all, then? If IPTV is the only option, it will be the only way. Considering the amount of time you seem to spend in front of the box, that will be a drastic change in your lifestyle, so I assume that this is just a knee-jerk reaction.