The future of television

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

https://rxtvinfo.com/2024/military-u...ies-in-europe/

[EXTRACTS]

Russian threat means Europe is looking at military usage for digital terrestrial TV frequency band. A move that would threaten not just TV, but also wireless communications and potential future mobile network usage.

UK broadcasters are pushing toward a mid-2035 terrestrial TV switch-off in favour of a streaming-only future. They’ve shown little or no interest in maintaining terrestrial TV in any form beyond this date, citing costs.

It appears that the terrestrial TV switch off May come earlier than I thought.

Facts you conveniently omit:
1. UHF’s primary use in relevant legislation is cultural. Military has only a secondary claim.
2. It is only the German army that’s even floating this. A secondary user of UHF spectrum in one country, speculating about use of spectrum that is subject to international treaty.

And, from the link highlighted in the very phrase ‘little or no interest in maintaining terrestrial TV’ beyond 2035 are these delightful nuggets of fact:

1. Ofcom believes 27% of homes will still rely exclusively on DTT in 2040 (i.e. 16 years from now)
2. Ofcom has proposed 3 ways of ensuring the viability of free-to-air TV, two of which involve not switching off DTT at all, but rather making it more streamlined.
3. The third option, switching off over-the-air broadcasts entirely, could occur ‘at some future date’ (i.e., unspecified) and only at the end of a transition process has yet to be designed or agreed, and which Ofcom believes would require 8 to 10 years.

https://rxtvinfo.com/2024/ofcom-free...ld-be-removed/

If you think any of the above in any way supports your fantasies about broadcast TV being turned off in the foreseeable future, please let me know who your dealer is because you’re smoking some primo junk.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Chris

Facts you conveniently omit:
1. UHF’s primary use in relevant legislation is cultural. Military has only a secondary claim.
2. It is only the German army that’s even floating this. A secondary user of UHF spectrum in one country, speculating about use of spectrum that is subject to international treaty.

And, from the link highlighted in the very phrase ‘little or no interest in maintaining terrestrial TV’ beyond 2035 are these delightful nuggets of fact:

1. Ofcom believes 27% of homes will still rely exclusively on DTT in 2040 (i.e. 16 years from now)
2. Ofcom has proposed 3 ways of ensuring the viability of free-to-air TV, two of which involve not switching off DTT at all, but rather making it more streamlined.
3. The third option, switching off over-the-air broadcasts entirely, could occur ‘at some future date’ (i.e., unspecified) and only at the end of a transition process has yet to be designed or agreed, and which Ofcom believes would require 8 to 10 years.

https://rxtvinfo.com/2024/ofcom-free...ld-be-removed/

If you think any of the above in any way supports your fantasies about broadcast TV being turned off in the foreseeable future, please let me know who your dealer is because you’re smoking some primo junk.

I didn’t write the article, Chris.

And since you like to rubbish alternative views by discrediting whole articles just because of the source of the piece rather than address the points made, can I just point out that it was Ofcom who judged the Project Kangaroo should not go ahead, so forgive me if I say I don’t rate your source of information either.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I didn’t write the article, Chris.

No, you merely cited it as evidence that you were even more correct than you earlier thought.

And since you like to rubbish alternative views by discrediting whole articles just because of the source of the piece rather than address the points made

I didn’t rubbish your source - I simply quoted parts of it that you were trying to ignore - because they addressed the points you made.

can I just point out that it was Ofcom who judged the Project Kangaroo should not go ahead, so forgive me if I say I don’t rate your source of information either.

Again, my source of information is the exact same website you quoted from, and frequently quote from, in this thread. They don’t seem to think Ofcom’s concern about Project Kangaroo’s potential to distort the UK streaming market was a reason not to quote Ofcom in their report. Not sure why you should think that either.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Chris

No, you merely cited it as evidence that you were even more correct than you earlier thought.

I said ‘it may come’ earlier than I predicted.

Originally Posted by Chris

I didn’t rubbish your source - I simply quoted parts of it that you were trying to ignore - because they addressed the points you made.

I wasn’t ignoring the other issues set out in the source, I was merely discussing the parts of it that were relevant to my post. I attached the whole article and made no attempt to hide it. You quoted the part of it that you thought backed up your argument, which is fine. That constitutes a discussion.

Originally Posted by Chris

Again, my source of information is the exact same website you quoted from, and frequently quote from, in this thread. They don’t seem to think Ofcom’s concern about Project Kangaroo’s potential to distort the UK streaming market was a reason not to quote Ofcom in their report. Not sure why you should think that either.

Quite, and that’s fine, Chris. No need to get so upset over this. The source quoted Ofcom, but my point about Project Kangaroo was that this was a good example of Ofcom’s inability to keep up with developments in its own field of ‘expertise’, and so it was reasonable for me to question the value of their views regarding the future a decade ahead. Since Netflix came along, Ofcom has been getting increasingly out of touch. They are being left behind, which is shameful, because we are relying on them to create the right environment for British content providers to operate in the global market.

---------- Post added at 19:55 ---------- Previous post was at 19:53 ----------

I well remember the days when we waited with excitement to witness the launch of a brand new channel. I was excited by the advent of the Sci-Fi channel, even though the programmes shown were already well past their sell-by date. We even had a family get together to see the first broadcast of the Disney Channel.

I get all of that, I shared in that excitement and anticipation. I loved the very thought of new channels launching, having been confined to the handful of channels we had been used to.

But those days are long gone. Nowadays, there are some who become sweaty at the thought of a new shopping channel or the like launching, because that really is the only kind of news we ever get of a new channel these days. The overwhelming trend is now for branding changes and channel closures and for even more new material being lost to the streamers.

As streaming increasingly becomes a reality in people’s lives across the UK, the discerning TV audience is starting to appreciate the brave new world of choice and on demand viewing. No need any more to fiddle about with recordings and HDD management.

The regular contributors who continually bitch about what I say regarding the future of TV are slaves to the schedules, are obsessed with channel numbers and minute changes that they pick up on Virgin’s system that may (or more likely may not) indicate something major is about to happen. They are wedded to the idea that nothing will change as regards the systems on offer because of existing issues with new technology such as latency (that are being resolved). They actually don’t want anything to change.

For you guys, there will be some relief to savour with the FAST channels, which unfortunately are a very poor shadow of the popular channels we are used to, although it’s anyone’s guess how long they will last. But if you don’t mind selecting FAST channels for your viewing, only to find you are half way through the programme with no rewind button: well there’s no accounting for such a decadent choice when an online demand option is also available to select your programme of choice as and when you want to watch it, from the beginning. Pluto and others actually give you that option.

But despite my all my reservations, I get that awe some of you have with FAST channels too, but I think that will wear off pretty soon. Pluto fascinated me for a couple of weeks or so as well until the novelty wore off.

I have to say that sooner or later, you guys will have to wake up or you’ll find yourself watching blank screens. Sometimes I get the feeling that one or two of you wouldn’t even notice.

Like it or not, streaming is coming, and the choice between that and scheduled TV is only transitional. Everything I’ve predicted is coming to pass given that we still have over 10 years to go until 2035. The BBC is preparing for a streaming only schedule, as is ITV. You can scoff all you like, but in the end, that steadfastly conservative attitude that is in abundance on this forum is not going to do your credibility any good at all.

With that said, you will soon find, in the not so distant future, that the TNT Sports programmes are available on Discovery+ (or its successor) only, like it or not. Sorry, but it’s not my decision. It’s just the way it’s going.

Oh, and by the way, the electricity supply will hold up just fine. As long as our new PM doesn’t shut down all the gas fired power stations before clean energy comes through reliably in abundance! The managers of the National Grid is well aware of the exponential increase in future demand that is coming, and will adapt as necessary, as it has always done.

[jfman]

That’s a lovely sentimental piece there, OB.

How did Virgin adding discovery+ instead of TNT Sports go?

Once again you invoke it as if we are somehow dated, rather than subscribers to a multitude of (including international) streaming services.

We will indeed continue to scoff because your own inability to comprehend a marketplace outside your own living room undermines your own posts.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I said ‘it may come’ earlier than I predicted.

SNIP

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Whilst streaming things is great I do feel that there should remain a broadcast option for things like emergencies or if Internet goes down. A FTA public broadcast should remain and never be taken away.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I said ‘it may come’ earlier than I predicted.



I wasn’t ignoring the other issues set out in the source, I was merely discussing the parts of it that were relevant to my post. I attached the whole article and made no attempt to hide it. You quoted the part of it that you thought backed up your argument, which is fine. That constitutes a discussion.

Quite, and that’s fine, Chris. No need to get so upset over this. The source quoted Ofcom, but my point about Project Kangaroo was that this was a good example of Ofcom’s inability to keep up with developments in its own field of ‘expertise’, and so it was reasonable for me to question the value of their views regarding the future a decade ahead. Since Netflix came along, Ofcom has been getting increasingly out of touch. They are being left behind, which is shameful, because we are relying on them to create the right environment for British content providers to operate in the global market.

---------- Post added at 19:55 ---------- Previous post was at 19:53 ----------

I well remember the days when we waited with excitement to witness the launch of a brand new channel. I was excited by the advent of the Sci-Fi channel, even though the programmes shown were already well past their sell-by date. We even had a family get together to see the first broadcast of the Disney Channel.

I get all of that, I shared in that excitement and anticipation. I loved the very thought of new channels launching, having been confined to the handful of channels we had been used to.

But those days are long gone. Nowadays, there are some who become sweaty at the thought of a new shopping channel or the like launching, because that really is the only kind of news we ever get of a new channel these days. The overwhelming trend is now for branding changes and channel closures and for even more new material being lost to the streamers.

As streaming increasingly becomes a reality in people’s lives across the UK, the discerning TV audience is starting to appreciate the brave new world of choice and on demand viewing. No need any more to fiddle about with recordings and HDD management.

The regular contributors who continually bitch about what I say regarding the future of TV are slaves to the schedules, are obsessed with channel numbers and minute changes that they pick up on Virgin’s system that may (or more likely may not) indicate something major is about to happen. They are wedded to the idea that nothing will change as regards the systems on offer because of existing issues with new technology such as latency (that are being resolved). They actually don’t want anything to change.

For you guys, there will be some relief to savour with the FAST channels, which unfortunately are a very poor shadow of the popular channels we are used to, although it’s anyone’s guess how long they will last. But if you don’t mind selecting FAST channels for your viewing, only to find you are half way through the programme with no rewind button: well there’s no accounting for such a decadent choice when an online demand option is also available to select your programme of choice as and when you want to watch it, from the beginning. Pluto and others actually give you that option.

But despite my all my reservations, I get that awe some of you have with FAST channels too, but I think that will wear off pretty soon. Pluto fascinated me for a couple of weeks or so as well until the novelty wore off.

I have to say that sooner or later, you guys will have to wake up or you’ll find yourself watching blank screens. Sometimes I get the feeling that one or two of you wouldn’t even notice.

Like it or not, streaming is coming, and the choice between that and scheduled TV is only transitional. Everything I’ve predicted is coming to pass given that we still have over 10 years to go until 2035. The BBC is preparing for a streaming only schedule, as is ITV. You can scoff all you like, but in the end, that steadfastly conservative attitude that is in abundance on this forum is not going to do your credibility any good at all.

With that said, you will soon find, in the not so distant future, that the TNT Sports programmes are available on Discovery+ (or its successor) only, like it or not. Sorry, but it’s not my decision. It’s just the way it’s going.

Oh, and by the way, the electricity supply will hold up just fine. As long as our new PM doesn’t shut down all the gas fired power stations before clean energy comes through reliably in abundance! The managers of the National Grid is well aware of the exponential increase in future demand that is coming, and will adapt as necessary, as it has always done.

Have you ever thought about getting into a proper religion OB? It might be a better use of your time. I recommend Buddhism, it's good for your health, not sure streaming, or worrying about the future of tv is

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I have to say that sooner or later, you guys will have to wake up or you’ll find yourself watching blank screens. Sometimes I get the feeling that one or two of you wouldn’t even notice.

I'm not convinced you're trying to win people over, Old Boy.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm not convinced you're trying to win people over, Old Boy.

I’d bet £20 most of us are streaming only households before OB. However it’d be irrelevant to the market as a whole.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I said ‘it may come’ earlier than I predicted.



I wasn’t ignoring the other issues set out in the source, I was merely discussing the parts of it that were relevant to my post. I attached the whole article and made no attempt to hide it. You quoted the part of it that you thought backed up your argument, which is fine. That constitutes a discussion.

Quite, and that’s fine, Chris. No need to get so upset over this. The source quoted Ofcom, but my point about Project Kangaroo was that this was a good example of Ofcom’s inability to keep up with developments in its own field of ‘expertise’, and so it was reasonable for me to question the value of their views regarding the future a decade ahead. Since Netflix came along, Ofcom has been getting increasingly out of touch. They are being left behind, which is shameful, because we are relying on them to create the right environment for British content providers to operate in the global market.

---------- Post added at 19:55 ---------- Previous post was at 19:53 ----------

I well remember the days when we waited with excitement to witness the launch of a brand new channel. I was excited by the advent of the Sci-Fi channel, even though the programmes shown were already well past their sell-by date. We even had a family get together to see the first broadcast of the Disney Channel.

I get all of that, I shared in that excitement and anticipation. I loved the very thought of new channels launching, having been confined to the handful of channels we had been used to.

But those days are long gone. Nowadays, there are some who become sweaty at the thought of a new shopping channel or the like launching, because that really is the only kind of news we ever get of a new channel these days. The overwhelming trend is now for branding changes and channel closures and for even more new material being lost to the streamers.

As streaming increasingly becomes a reality in people’s lives across the UK, the discerning TV audience is starting to appreciate the brave new world of choice and on demand viewing. No need any more to fiddle about with recordings and HDD management.

The regular contributors who continually bitch about what I say regarding the future of TV are slaves to the schedules, are obsessed with channel numbers and minute changes that they pick up on Virgin’s system that may (or more likely may not) indicate something major is about to happen. They are wedded to the idea that nothing will change as regards the systems on offer because of existing issues with new technology such as latency (that are being resolved). They actually don’t want anything to change.

For you guys, there will be some relief to savour with the FAST channels, which unfortunately are a very poor shadow of the popular channels we are used to, although it’s anyone’s guess how long they will last. But if you don’t mind selecting FAST channels for your viewing, only to find you are half way through the programme with no rewind button: well there’s no accounting for such a decadent choice when an online demand option is also available to select your programme of choice as and when you want to watch it, from the beginning. Pluto and others actually give you that option.

But despite my all my reservations, I get that awe some of you have with FAST channels too, but I think that will wear off pretty soon. Pluto fascinated me for a couple of weeks or so as well until the novelty wore off.

I have to say that sooner or later, you guys will have to wake up or you’ll find yourself watching blank screens. Sometimes I get the feeling that one or two of you wouldn’t even notice.

Like it or not, streaming is coming, and the choice between that and scheduled TV is only transitional. Everything I’ve predicted is coming to pass given that we still have over 10 years to go until 2035. The BBC is preparing for a streaming only schedule, as is ITV. You can scoff all you like, but in the end, that steadfastly conservative attitude that is in abundance on this forum is not going to do your credibility any good at all.

With that said, you will soon find, in the not so distant future, that the TNT Sports programmes are available on Discovery+ (or its successor) only, like it or not. Sorry, but it’s not my decision. It’s just the way it’s going.

Oh, and by the way, the electricity supply will hold up just fine. As long as our new PM doesn’t shut down all the gas fired power stations before clean energy comes through reliably in abundance! The managers of the National Grid is well aware of the exponential increase in future demand that is coming, and will adapt as necessary, as it has always done.

Do you feel better for that?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I said ‘it may come’ earlier than I predicted.



I wasn’t ignoring the other issues set out in the source, I was merely discussing the parts of it that were relevant to my post. I attached the whole article and made no attempt to hide it. You quoted the part of it that you thought backed up your argument, which is fine. That constitutes a discussion.

Quite, and that’s fine, Chris. No need to get so upset over this. The source quoted Ofcom, but my point about Project Kangaroo was that this was a good example of Ofcom’s inability to keep up with developments in its own field of ‘expertise’, and so it was reasonable for me to question the value of their views regarding the future a decade ahead. Since Netflix came along, Ofcom has been getting increasingly out of touch. They are being left behind, which is shameful, because we are relying on them to create the right environment for British content providers to operate in the global market.

---------- Post added at 19:55 ---------- Previous post was at 19:53 ----------

I well remember the days when we waited with excitement to witness the launch of a brand new channel. I was excited by the advent of the Sci-Fi channel, even though the programmes shown were already well past their sell-by date. We even had a family get together to see the first broadcast of the Disney Channel.

I get all of that, I shared in that excitement and anticipation. I loved the very thought of new channels launching, having been confined to the handful of channels we had been used to.

But those days are long gone. Nowadays, there are some who become sweaty at the thought of a new shopping channel or the like launching, because that really is the only kind of news we ever get of a new channel these days. The overwhelming trend is now for branding changes and channel closures and for even more new material being lost to the streamers.

As streaming increasingly becomes a reality in people’s lives across the UK, the discerning TV audience is starting to appreciate the brave new world of choice and on demand viewing. No need any more to fiddle about with recordings and HDD management.

The regular contributors who continually bitch about what I say regarding the future of TV are slaves to the schedules, are obsessed with channel numbers and minute changes that they pick up on Virgin’s system that may (or more likely may not) indicate something major is about to happen. They are wedded to the idea that nothing will change as regards the systems on offer because of existing issues with new technology such as latency (that are being resolved). They actually don’t want anything to change.

For you guys, there will be some relief to savour with the FAST channels, which unfortunately are a very poor shadow of the popular channels we are used to, although it’s anyone’s guess how long they will last. But if you don’t mind selecting FAST channels for your viewing, only to find you are half way through the programme with no rewind button: well there’s no accounting for such a decadent choice when an online demand option is also available to select your programme of choice as and when you want to watch it, from the beginning. Pluto and others actually give you that option.

But despite my all my reservations, I get that awe some of you have with FAST channels too, but I think that will wear off pretty soon. Pluto fascinated me for a couple of weeks or so as well until the novelty wore off.

I have to say that sooner or later, you guys will have to wake up or you’ll find yourself watching blank screens. Sometimes I get the feeling that one or two of you wouldn’t even notice.

Like it or not, streaming is coming, and the choice between that and scheduled TV is only transitional. Everything I’ve predicted is coming to pass given that we still have over 10 years to go until 2035. The BBC is preparing for a streaming only schedule, as is ITV. You can scoff all you like, but in the end, that steadfastly conservative attitude that is in abundance on this forum is not going to do your credibility any good at all.

With that said, you will soon find, in the not so distant future, that the TNT Sports programmes are available on Discovery+ (or its successor) only, like it or not. Sorry, but it’s not my decision. It’s just the way it’s going.

Oh, and by the way, the electricity supply will hold up just fine. As long as our new PM doesn’t shut down all the gas fired power stations before clean energy comes through reliably in abundance! The managers of the National Grid is well aware of the exponential increase in future demand that is coming, and will adapt as necessary, as it has always done.

OK Donald.

Weird…

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm not convinced you're trying to win people over, Old Boy.

They never will be, Andrew. Heads are buried much too far in the sand. There’s no hope for them, no reasoning for them. Just that repetitive DeGaulle ‘No’ response.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

They never will be, Andrew. Heads are buried much too far in the sand. There’s no hope for them, no reasoning for them. Just that repetitive DeGaulle ‘No’ response.

What are you even jabbering about?

No ones heads are buried in sand

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

They never will be, Andrew. Heads are buried much too far in the sand. There’s no hope for them, no reasoning for them. Just that repetitive DeGaulle ‘No’ response.

"Non!", actually…