President Trump 2.0

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Panicked and racist come to.mind.

From that screen shot?

I don’t see anything racist in that.

If you’re referring to the phrase “import the third world, get the third world”."………….it’s not totally inaccurate.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ose-rcna166855

Trump says presidential civilian award is 'better' than top military honor whose recipients are 'dead' or 'hit' by bullets

BEDMINSTER, N.J. — Former President Donald Trump lauded a wealthy donor on whom he bestowed the Presidential Medal of Freedom as having gotten the "better" award compared to the top military honor, the Medal of Honor, because those recipients are often deceased or injured.

Speaking at a campaign event intended to discuss antisemitism, Trump was introduced by Miriam Adelson, a wealthy Republican donor and widow of Sheldon Adelson, who pumped millions of dollars of his own money into electing Republican candidates. He died in 2021.

“I watched Sheldon sitting so proud in the White House when we gave Miriam the Presidential Medal of Freedom," Trump said at his New Jersey resort.

"That’s the highest award you can get as a civilian. It’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor," Trump continued, referring to the highest military honor bestowed for valor in combat. The Medal of Honor is often mistakenly called the Congressional Medal of Honor.

"But civilian version, it’s actually much better because everyone [who] gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead," Trump concluded. “She gets it, and she’s a healthy, beautiful woman, and they’re rated equal, but she got the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and she got it for — and that’s through committees and everything else.”

The Congressional Medal of Honor is the US equivalent of the Victoria Cross.

[jfman]

He’s got form for that kind of thing with John McCain has he not?

Listening to a podcast yesterday (openly Democrat supporting) one suggested to guard against complacency that although Biden 2020 won the popular vote by 7 million votes and was outside the margin of error (sometimes comfortably) the Electoral College came down to 40,000 votes in just three states. Harris is polling closer to that than Biden was in 2024.

Originally Posted by jfman

He’s got form for that kind of thing with John McCain has he not?

Listening to a podcast yesterday (openly Democrat supporting) one suggested to guard against complacency that although Biden 2020 won the popular vote by 7 million votes and was outside the margin of error (sometimes comfortably) the Electoral College came down to 40,000 votes in just three states. Harris is polling closer to that than Biden was in 2024.

On that point…

https://wapo.st/3WLWLyA

On the face of it, Harris’s small lead in the national polls and trends in swing states don’t look like enough for her to be the favorite in the electoral college. According to our model, Trump continues to lead in a majority of the battleground states — and if you count up the electoral votes and award them to the candidates leading in those states, Trump comes in at 283 and Harris at 255. The first to 270 wins.

The reason Harris is now the favorite is because Harris has closed the gap with Trump in Sun Belt states enough to open a second path to the presidency.
Because the polls underestimated Trump in the last two presidential elections, we often associate polling errors with a potential upside for Republicans. But it’s important to remember that polling errors can go either way. And a 2012-sized error (not a cycle we usually associate with an error at all) would now be enough to put Harris over the top.

The other, and more crucial, reason that Harris is favored is that her improvement in the polls has opened up a second path on the presidential battlefield and in the electoral college. The polling suggests that, unlike Biden, she is no longer effectively tied to the Rust Belt — Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin — to hit 270 electoral votes. As of today, Harris is now only a typically sized polling error away from winning key Sun Belt states. Winning all of Arizona, Nevada, North Carolina and Georgia would also be enough to put Harris over the top and she is continuing to improve her position in those states.

Our model shows that for Trump to win the White House, he would need to notch victories in both the Rust Belt and Sun Belt. But crucially for Harris, she would win by taking just one of those two paths.

For now, that is a game changer.

Only the Yanks could turn their electoral process into a spectator sport.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

Only the Yanks could turn their electoral process into a spectator sport.

It's not a great democratic system is? Ours isn't much better. If you're not in one of the 'swing states ( or marginal constituencies in this country), your vote is largely meaningless.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

Only the Yanks could turn their electoral process into a spectator sport.

I did think that’s a lot of words for “dunno, it’s a toss up this far out”.

Not that it stops us all spectating.

Originally Posted by jfman

I did think that’s a lot of words for “dunno, it’s a toss up this far out”.

Not that it stops us all spectating.

But before this, it was forecast as an almost certainty for Trump…

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ose-rcna166855



The Congressional Medal of Honor is the US equivalent of the Victoria Cross.

It’s a joke, in poor taste, but funny none the less

Indeed much like the VC most recipients are killed in action.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But before this, it was forecast as an almost certainty for Trump…

100% agree, Harris has made a lot of inroads into the previous Trump lead in the polls over Biden.

My point wasn’t to fault the analysis just a nod to the point Chris made to liken it to a spectator sport. We can all visualise it like half time analysis of a football game, what’s going well on the pitch, where, what needs to change to turn the game in favour of either side etc.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

On that point…

https://wapo.st/3WLWLyA

Well she’s made a competition out of it, Trump would’ve walked it against Biden.

The debates will be interesting.

Originally Posted by Pierre

It’s a joke, in poor taste, but funny none the less

Indeed much like the VC most recipients are killed in action.

Ah, the old "BuT iT wAs A jOkE!!!!" line...

Turning the barrel over to scrape for excuses now...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Ah, the old "BuT iT wAs A jOkE!!!!" line...

Turning the barrel over to scrape for excuses now...

No, because for those that don’t have severe TDS, it was obviously a joke, not his fault you haven’t got a sense of humour.

Surely you mean "for those who have severe TDS*, and can easily translate Trump-speak to English" it’s obviously** a joke"

* will defend Trump no matter what he says or does

**was meant at face value, in line with his previous "suckers and losers" and "what’s in it for them" comments, but once the negative feedback occurred, the old "it was a joke" excuse came out…

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Surely you mean "for those who have severe TDS*, and can easily translate Trump-speak to English" it’s obviously** a joke"

* will defend Trump no matter what he says or does

**was meant at face value, in line with his previous "suckers and losers" and "what’s in it for them" comments, but once the negative feedback occurred, the old "it was a joke" excuse came out…

***. Will attack Trump no matter what he says or does

**** was a joke that only those with almost debilitating TDS can’t see, or indeed refuse to see

Or he was making a joke that receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom, is a lot better than receiving the Congressional Medal of Honor, because if you’re receiving the Congressional Medal of Honor….you’re most likely dead, or severely injured.