President Trump 2.0

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/11/nx-s1...ews-conference

162 lies and distortions in a news conference. NPR fact checks former President Trump

AUGUST 11, 2024 7:00 AM

Former President Donald Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, speaks during a news conference at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida on Aug. 8.

There were a host of false things that Donald Trump said during his hour-long news conference Thursday that have gotten attention.

A glaring example is his helicopter emergency landing story, which has not stood up to scrutiny.

But there was so much more. A team of NPR reporters and editors reviewed the transcript of his news conference and found at least 162 misstatements, exaggerations and outright lies in 64 minutes. That’s more than two a minute. It’s a stunning number for anyone – and even more problematic for a person running to lead the free world.

Politicians spin. They fib. They misspeak. They make honest mistakes like the rest of us. And, yes, they even sometimes exaggerate their biographies.

The expectation, though, is that they will treat the truth as something important and correct any errors.

But what former President Trump did this past Thursday went well beyond the bounds of what most politicians would do.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

What is weird is everyone with TDS gobbling up everything with eager abandon that is spoon fed to them.

Trump fans are like that. It doesn't really matter to them whether it's true or not - it's Trump's Truth so they don't see a problem. However, when Trump steps outside his fan base, people can't be spoon-fed and tend to ask obvious questions. Like show me the evidence!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/11/nx-s1...ews-conference

1. “I think our country right now is in the most dangerous position it’s ever been in from an economic standpoint…”

That’s an opinion, you can’t “fact check” an opinion……you can disagree with it.

2. “…from a safety standpoint, both gangs on the street…”

Still part of the same sentence of the opinion, which they fail to really refute anyway

3. “...and frankly, gangs outside of our country in the form of other countries that are, frankly, very powerful. They’re very powerful countries.”

Still part of the initial sentence, they cite Afghanistan, but fail to mention China, which I would argue Trump is really referring to.

4-5. “We have a lot of bad things coming up. You could end up in a Depression of the 1929 variety, which would be a devastating thing, took many years– took many decades to recover from it, and we’re very close to that.”

“Could” opinion again. Ok it didn’t takes decades to recover, but it took a decade.

6. “And we’re very close to a world war. In my opinion, we’re very close to a world war.”

Opinion, not a lie.

I could go on and on, that article and the so called “fact checking” is absolutely laughable as to be comedic

It’s full of this:

24. “We've agreed with NBC, fairly full agreement, subject to them, on Sept. 10th.”

This is ABC, not NBC.

Wow …lock him up.

25. “She can't do an interview. She's barely competent and she can't do an interview.”

Harris hasn’t done interviews since getting into the campaign, but she has done them in the past, so saying “she can’t do” one or that she is “barely competent” are just insults.

So he’s not wrong here, just insulting.

A wager, Hugh saw a great headline, but then never actually read the supposed lies and untruths being reported, if you had, I doubt you would posted it.

And again as for me simping for Trump, Again. I’m just not swallowing wholesale a lot of the crap that is being fed out……….unlike some, by the looks of it.

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Some more belters from that lying sum’ma,bitch.

30. “The most unpopular vice president.”

This might have been true about a year ago or so, but not anymore.

31. “Don't forget, she was the first one defeated. As I remember it, because I watched it very closely, but she was the first one.”

Harris was not “defeated,” because she dropped out of the Democratic presidential race before Iowa.

36-39. They're going to hit you hard. ‘Either we can do it the nice way. I heard, I know exactly, because I know a lot of people on the other side, believe it or not. And, they said, ‘We'll do it the nice way, or we'll do it the hard way.’ And he said, ‘All right.”

This was not said; he did not hear; no Democrats in the know are talking to Trump; and this dialogue is made up.

It’s been widely reported that Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, went to see Biden and gave him that ultimatum.

52. “Now we have the worst border in the history of the world.”

World history is filled with cases where one country has crossed a border and invaded a neighboring country.

And? Is that a fact check?

62. “She couldn't pass her bar exam.”

This is false. Harris passed her bar exam on the second try. She failed on first attempt, which is not unusual for California’s bar exam given its difficulty.

63. “I was doing very well with Black voters, and I still am. I seem to be doing very well with black males. This is according to polls, as you know.

Trump was not doing “very well” with Black voters. Biden was not doing as well with Black voters as he did in 2020, according to most surveys, but that didn’t mean Black voters were moving heavily toward Trump. Many seemed more likely not to vote. There were signs that Trump was doing better with Black men

?..

64. “Extremely well with Hispanic.”

Like with Black voters, it’s difficult to tell in most national surveys exactly how well a candidate is doing with Latino voters because of high margins of error. “Extremely well” depends on how it’s defined, but this is an exaggeration.

Well they haven’t defined the metric of extremely, so not a fact check


Anyway.


Not a fact check by any definition.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s an opinion, you can’t “fact check” an opinion……you can disagree with it.


Still part of the same sentence of the opinion, which they fail to really refute anyway


Still part of the initial sentence, they cite Afghanistan, but fail to mention China, which I would argue Trump is really referring to.



“Could” opinion again. Ok it didn’t takes decades to recover, but it took a decade.



Opinion, not a lie.

I could go on and on, that article and the so called “fact checking” is absolutely laughable as to be comedic

It’s full of this:



Wow …lock him up.




So he’s not wrong here, just insulting.

A wager, Hugh saw a great headline, but then never actually read the supposed lies and untruths being reported, if you had, I doubt you would posted it.

And again as for me simping for Trump, Again. I’m just not swallowing wholesale a lot of the crap that is being fed out……….unlike some, by the looks of it.

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Some more belters from that lying sum’ma,bitch.







It’s been widely reported that Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, went to see Biden and gave him that ultimatum.



And? Is that a fact check?



?..



Well they haven’t defined the metric of extremely, so not a fact check


Anyway.


Not a fact check by any definition.

So you managed to find a problem with 17 of 162? That notwithstanding Hugh's link said 162 lies and distortions which undermines much of your fact checking. For instance;

4-5 isn't an opinion, he states we have a lot of bad things coming up that's not opinion it's a statement his opinion is on how bad it could be and then goes back to statement by saying we'revery close to that and btw we're not so it's an outright lie.

6 his opinion of us being close to a world war is a distortion of the truth, I know we don't like experts anymore but they're all saying not only are we not close to a world war even escalation in Israel or Ukraine wouldn't lead to one but donny knows better than them?

24 lie

25 He's wrong and insulting

And that'll do as the rest of it is just plain weird, saying that he knows exactly what was said when that's extremely unlikely, if he'd said it's been reported schumer and Pelosi did that then it would've been a lot more impact full than his gibberish and the other nonsense about not being able to pass her bar exam when the certificate is hanging on her wall

Weird. He is most definitely not OK. At this point it’s not even odd to wonder if he’s going to make it to November as the GOP candidate.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

Weird. He is most definitely not OK. At this point it’s not even odd to wonder if he’s going to make it to November as the GOP candidate.

Homer Simpson making a bid? He's definitely a better candidate.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

So you managed to find a problem with 17 of 162?

I could have found more if I wanted to go through every single one line by line

That notwithstanding Hugh's link said 162 lies and distortions which undermines much of your fact checking. For instance;

Well it grabs you with “ 162 lies”, If it was 162, opinions we don’t agree with, which is mainly is, then that would be more accurate.

4-5 isn't an opinion, he states we have a lot of bad things coming up that's not opinion it's a statement

It is an opinion. “Bad” is a subjective word and these things haven’t yet happened. If he had said we’ve “had” a lot bad things happened then itemised them, that could be fact checked.

6 his opinion of us being close to a world war is a distortion of the truth, I know we don't like experts anymore but they're all saying not only are we not close to a world war even escalation in Israel or Ukraine wouldn't lead to one but donny knows better than them?

Opinion, how close? Very close, not very close - subjective

24 lie

And there you lose me and any credibility you think you have or had.

He mistakenly says NBC instead of ABC, in regards to the next debate and you’re calling that a “lie”…………….pretty pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

It’s been doing the rounds on X that the photo of AF2 and crowd is fake/AI, and the conspiracy theorists have all piled in on it.

But there’s no evidence it is fake and a video posted debunks the claim.

Trump would do well to hold fire commenting on such things.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Weird. He is most definitely not OK. At this point it’s not even odd to wonder if he’s going to make it to November as the GOP candidate.

Known as a reverse Biden

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It’s been doing the rounds on X that the photo of AF2 and crowd is fake/AI, and the conspiracy theorists have all piled in on it.

But there’s no evidence it is fake and a video posted debunks the claim.

Trump would do well to hold fire commenting on such things.

Sadly, this is a man who has ceased to give the impression of thinking and acting logically. He owes it to his Party and Country to end his Presidential ambitions.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

And there you lose me and any credibility you think you have or had.

He mistakenly says NBC instead of ABC, in regards to the next debate and you’re calling that a “lie”…………….pretty pathetic.

You're already lost, you're in Don Old's cult. Is he mistaken in saying that the first debate is on Fox News on September 4th in Harrisburg Pennsylvania because that's what he's been saying on lie social for nearly a day now or is he trying to get Harris to refuse his dopey ambush so he can get out of the debate on ABC or is he just plain lying again

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You're already lost, you're in Don Old's cult…………that's what he's been saying on lie social

I’m not on Truth Social, only Trumphiles are……………….

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’m not on Truth Social, only Trumphiles are……………….

Can you remind me which venue you're on at the Fringe?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/11/nx-s1...ews-conference

162 misstatements, exaggerations and outright lies in 64 minutes

I tend to lean towards this a reasonable chunk of this being needless. He’s as entitled as anyone else to embellish statements where he’s expressing an opinion.

Exaggerating how well, or otherwise, he’s doing among certain ethnic groups is an opinion depending on how he baselines it. If I find £20 in my winter coat I’d feel like I was doing well, against the subjective baseline of assuming there’s nothing in it. If I checked the bank on payday and had £20 it’d be problematic.

There’s enough in his outright lies to get him with. Plus just calling him weird.

Trump did an interview with Elon Musk yesterday. Most of it was the same kinda stuff but he said there is another country with an Iron Dome that no one knows about......

Did he reveal something or was he lying?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Trump did an interview with Elon Musk yesterday. Most of it was the same kinda stuff but he said there is another country with an Iron Dome that no one knows about......

Did he reveal something or was he lying?

Loads of countries have it or something similar, the UK has SkySabre which could be ramped up to be better than Iron Dome if we spend the money, iirc Azerbaijan's version was bought from Israel itself back in 2021 and a number of Eastern European showed serious interest that probably led to purchasing variants when Putin kicked of bigly