Uk Riots and Protests (2024)

Originally Posted by jfman

I doubt anything similar could happen in Scotland on the same scale simply because enough of the population see through the dog whistling. We’ve consistently rejected the Tories at the ballot box. Farage has never gained much ground in any guise. The political narrative in Scotland is quite often not anti-refugee.

There’s plenty of racists sufficiently divided by other factors, political and social, it’d be impossible to collaborate on any scale.

Thatcher decimated Scotland. There’s no amount of refugees will convince the majority of the population otherwise.

I tend to agree … the Unwashed are less apt to coalesce around one cause in sufficient numbers. Also, it never stops raining here so they’re more likely to consume their white lightning and Buckfast in the comfort of their own living rooms.

Polis Scotland would appear to have a similar view, as they’re only paying overtime for one van of very bored looking coppers.

[1andrew1]

The rough equation for riots seems to be trigger + warm weather + asylum seekers housed nearby + deprivation + far-right agitators encouraging action + ability for those with a criminal record to get to the location = riot.

Remove one of these and the likelihood of a riot diminishes or goes away entirely.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Do you have a link?

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/me...om-britain.pdf

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The rough equation for riots seems to be trigger + warm weather + asylum seekers housed nearby + deprivation + far-right agitators encouraging action + ability for those with a criminal record to get to the location = riot.

Remove one of these and the likelihood of a riot diminishes or goes away entirely.

my prediction is from tomorrow -football +lager = here we go again

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

my prediction is from tomorrow -football +lager = here we go again

For a kebab?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

For a kebab?

Vindaloo surely?

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by jfman

I appreciate that’s the theory (and has been put into practice for some time) but with artificially finite housing supply it pushes up the biggest element of outgoings for most people - housing.

It also drives up demand for public services, school places, wider state funded babysitting, public transport costs, health services. It’s far from clean cut and only delays that it has to be addressed properly sooner or later.

That’s why I said taxpayers. People of working age tend to be net contributors to the government. It’s the very young and old that cost more than they contribute. I know a couple of people who are staying in the UK on visas and it is surprisingly limited and expensive to do. Both have to pay an NHS surcharge for access to healthcare and both have ‘no recourse to public funds’ which means that they have no social security safety net.

Pretty much the only direct benefit they get is school for their kids and that’s because education is both a legal requirement and a human right

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Vindaloo surely?

Nah nah nah….

[jfman]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

That’s why I said taxpayers. People of working age tend to be net contributors to the government. It’s the very young and old that cost more than they contribute. I know a couple of people who are staying in the UK on visas and it is surprisingly limited and expensive to do. Both have to pay an NHS surcharge for access to healthcare and both have ‘no recourse to public funds’ which means that they have no social security safety net.

Pretty much the only direct benefit they get is school for their kids and that’s because education is both a legal requirement and a human right

I'm not sure that any of my statement doesn't apply to imported "taxpayers".

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

People of working age tend to be net contributors to the government. It’s the very young and old that cost more than they contribute.

I take your point on the young but they at least have potential, but let’s say I’ve worked every day since I was 19 and I’m not planning to retire until 65, maybe later.

That’s 46 years paying tax, around half of that in the higher tax bracket.

When I retire I’ll pay tax on my pension, I’ll still buy stuff, I’ll still drive. So still being taxed in retirement when I’m old.

I haven’t…as yet thankfully…..been a burden on the NHS, and if I lose my marble’s they’ll take my house away.

I know the exception doesn’t prove the rule, but I reckon I’ll die, even if I make it into my 80’s a net contributor to the state.

Let’s also not forget all those evil millionaires and Billionaires that will almost certainly die net contributors to the state.

I know a couple of people who are staying in the UK on visas and it is surprisingly limited and expensive to do. Both have to pay an NHS surcharge for access to healthcare and both have ‘no recourse to public funds’ which means that they have no social security safety net.

I would have thought that normal for non-citizens of any nation, if you’re in a country on a work visa, and you lose your job you shouldn’t get social security………you get another job or you go home.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/me...om-britain.pdf

Thank you.

I know this might sound very metropolitan elite, but I would expect that any impact on the lowest paid would now be removed by the big increases in the minimum wage.

But this can't be looked at in isolation. From the supply of staff to the NHS to the increase in house prices and rent.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Thank you.

I know this might sound very metropolitan elite, but I would expect that any impact on the lowest paid would now be removed by the big increases in the minimum wage.

But this can't be looked at in isolation. From the supply of staff to the NHS to the increase in house prices and rent.

The minimum wage, since rebranded living wage, is only 15% higher than it was in 2018 in real terms. It's estimated around 5% of workers are on it.

Despite this "in work poverty" continues to trend upwards as it has done for 20 years.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

The minimum wage, since rebranded living wage, is only 15% higher than it was in 2018 in real terms. It's estimated around 5% of workers are on it.

Despite this "in work poverty" continues to trend upwards as it has done for 20 years.

In work poverty was the brain child of Gordon Brown, that rather than make employers pay a living wage, subsidised them with in work tax credits that enabled employers to pay less keep more and the tax payer pick up the shortfall.

The Tories failed to reverse it and doubled down on “in work” benefits. A pox on them all.

[jfman]

A couple (at least) of slightly worrying sentences being dished out.

In Belfast a judge said in sentencing remarks that simply being in attendance at a riot was enough, stating that defendants claims just to have been there protesting and to observe didn’t matter - attendance was enough.

Someone else got 12 weeks for expressing clear anti-immigrant sentiment - “coming to a town near you” alongside pictures of groups of foreign men looking like a gang.

The era of fascism will be ushered in by centrists impotent to change the minds of people who merely disagree with them at this rate.

Take any of the above principles in law - apply it to a protest you might attend, or a government failure you might condemn, during a period where you don’t like the colour of tie the PM wears. Frightening.

In Belfast a judge said in sentencing remarks that simply being in attendance at a riot was enough, stating that defendants claims just to have been there protesting and to observe didn’t matter - attendance was enough.

Someone else got 12 weeks for expressing clear anti-immigrant sentiment - “coming to a town near you” alongside pictures of groups of foreign men looking like a gang.

Link, please?