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Does Britain really have a far-left thuggery problem? It always seemed to me like centrist panty-wetting whenever their moral hypocrisy was called out as we blindly supported American foreign policy objectives
(Setting aside of course Oxbridge students smashing the windows of their future employers in the banking sector every May Day)
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Only slightly more stupid than standing next to him and applauding while wearing official trade union / charity high-vis. Utter, utter morons, who claim to be ‘against hate’ whilst being totally blind to their own.
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I should add, people doing this sort of thing in ‘normal times’ might expect to get away with a slapped wrist and community service, but the sentencing hearing from Liverpool this morning is worth listening to … it illustrates in detail how this sort of thing, in the context of rioting and disorder, is treated somewhat differently. He will be very lucky indeed not to spend time in jail. Fool.
Sentencing remarks begin 4 minutes into this video:
Only slightly more stupid than standing next to him and applauding while wearing official trade union / charity high-vis. Utter, utter morons, who claim to be ‘against hate’ whilst being totally blind to their own.
I think it's a case of people who get into little bubbles where they use this hyperbolic language to signal to others within their group that they are righteous but then hit the reality of the real world. Just casual expressions of violence and dehumanisation and this time it's gone too far and he is looking at an actual prison.
Hopefully, this too provides a reality check to people that violent language has consequences - it's not a rhetorical bit of language you can use simply to express yourself.
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He will be very lucky indeed not to spend time in jail. Fool.
Surely even at other times encouraging murder is a prison sentence? I tried to find CPS guidelines but it kept giving me 'conspiracy to murder' which isn't the same thing.
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I think it's a case of people who get into little bubbles where they use this hyperbolic language to signal to others within their group that they are righteous but then hit the reality of the real world. Just casual expressions of violence and dehumanisation and this time it's gone too far and he is looking at an actual prison.
Hopefully, this too provides a reality check to people that violent language has consequences - it's not a rhetorical bit of language you can use simply to express yourself.
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Surely even at other times encouraging murder is a prison sentence? I tried to find CPS guidelines but it kept giving me 'conspiracy to murder' which isn't the same thing.
IANAL but without the aggravating factor of this week’s rioting, his brief could probably argue it was rhetoric that got out of hand and unlikely to be understood as an actual call for murder by anyone present. The fact that he is speaking in direct response to rioting, at a time there is a risk more riots will break out, is what is going to sink him.
In many respects these counter-demonstrations are counter-productive. They divert police resources and it only takes finding one or two morons (they're everywhere) and suddenly you've got a full page on page 5 of the Telegraph 'both sidesing' it.
Very, very easy for nefarious forces to hold those up as an example of double standards - that crowd clearly feels it's the acceptable face of demonstrating when it clearly isn't.
Only slightly more stupid than standing next to him and applauding while wearing official trade union / charity high-vis. Utter, utter morons, who claim to be ‘against hate’ whilst being totally blind to their own.
If the Amnesty high vis jacket wearer is employed by them, she must be anticipating a difficult meeting with HR sooner than later.
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If the Amnesty high vis jacket wearer is employed by them, she must be anticipating a difficult meeting with HR sooner than later.
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When I was a journo we had a local Green Party councillor who used to drive round in a car with a massive WWF logo on either side and had a habit of driving up to wherever he saw a perceived wildlife crime in progress to remonstrate loudly with whoever it happened to be.
He had been repeatedly asked by the actual WWF to refrain from doing so.
I think it's a case of people who get into little bubbles where they use this hyperbolic language to signal to others within their group that they are righteous but then hit the reality of the real world. Just casual expressions of violence and dehumanisation and this time it's gone too far and he is looking at an actual prison.
Hopefully, this too provides a reality check to people that violent language has consequences - it's not a rhetorical bit of language you can use simply to express yourself.
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Surely even at other times encouraging murder is a prison sentence? I tried to find CPS guidelines but it kept giving me 'conspiracy to murder' which isn't the same thing.
The PM also said that crimes committed online wouldn't be tolerated either.
Discussion of the riots must be being monitored as someone I know received a police visit this morning because of something he'd posted on the internet.
When I was a journo we had a local Green Party councillor who used to drive round in a car with a massive WWF logo on either side and had a habit of driving up to wherever he saw a perceived wildlife crime in progress to remonstrate loudly with whoever it happened to be.
He had been repeatedly asked by the actual WWF to refrain from doing so.
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Probably infringing on Stone Cold Steve Austin’s image rights or something.
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Probably infringing on Stone Cold Steve Austin’s image rights or something.
Somehow knew someone would make this gag
Actually he eventually ended up in front of the beak charged with assault at a nature reserve. He set upon someone with a tree branch because he thought they were interfering with great crested newts.
The woman accused of being first to spread the fake rumours about the Southport killer which sparked nationwide riots has been arrested.
Racist riots spread across the country after misinformation spread on social media claiming the fatal stabbing was carried out by Ali Al-Shakati, believed to be a fictitious name, a Muslim aslyum seeker who was on an MI6 watchlist.
A 55-year-old woman from Chester has now been arrested on suspicion of publishing written material to stir up racial hatred, and false communication. She remains in police custody.
Chief Superintendent Alison Ross said: ‘We have all seen the violent disorder that has taken place across the UK over the past week, much of which has been fuelled by malicious and inaccurate communications online.
‘It’s a stark reminder of the dangers of posting information on social media platforms without checking the accuracy.
‘It also acts as a warning that we are all accountable for our actions, whether that be online or in person.’
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Interesting but not unexpected. Labour's policy of not using asylum hotels should ease this as should its recruitment of 1,000 staff to clear the backlog of asylum applications.
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Far-right riots centred on England’s deprivation hotspots
Seven of the ten most deprived areas of England witnessed riots in the past two weeks, according to a Financial Times analysis of where far-right violence flared across the country.
Many of the areas affected also have a higher-than-average proportion of asylum seekers in taxpayer-funded accommodation, a legacy of the previous Conservative government’s policy of housing migrants in hotels in cheaper areas while they are being processed.
As of Thursday afternoon, violence has broken out in 23 local authorities since July 30.
Seven — Middlesbrough, Blackpool, Liverpool, Hartlepool, Hull, Manchester and Blackburn — are in the top 10 most deprived areas, according to the government’s Indices of Deprivation.
Home Office data shows these seven are also home to some of the highest numbers of asylum seekers receiving government support and accommodation per capita of the population.
Liverpool is one of the top ten locations for asylum seekers receiving government support out of more than 300 local authorities in England.
“These are often communities that are already socio-economically deprived, and have high unemployment, which can contribute to a sense that there is competition for scant resources,” said Rob McNeil, deputy director of the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford.
He added that asylum accommodation tended to be concentrated in struggling areas because it was more affordable for the government.
Zoe Bantleman, a barrister and legal director of the Immigration Law Practitioners’ Association, said the body had long opposed the Tory decision to house tens of thousands of asylum seekers in hotels in struggling towns and cities.
“Prior governments chose to place people seeking asylum in cheap hotels, with private companies profiting millions,” she said. “They ignored our calls to find people community-based accommodation in areas of the UK with the necessary support and infrastructure.”
She added: “Senior politicians then stigmatised people seeking asylum in hotels, for their cost to the public purse, making hotels a lightning pole for rioters.”
Around 35 per cent of the roughly 100,000 asylum seekers receiving government support were housed in hotels in March of this year, according to Home Office data.
Interesting but not unexpected. Labour's policy of not using asylum hotels should ease this as should its recruitment of 1,000 staff to clear the backlog of asylum applications.
What happens to them when the backlog is cleared ?
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