Uk Riots and Protests (2024)

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Stephen

They wouldn't even have gathered or been there if they weren't being attacked or having abuse and violence hurled at them.

Nice try though to make them out to be the bad ones.

I think the Putin-amplified narrative this year is two-tier policing. So any videos that can be linked into this theme will reward their posters with bags of reposts.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Starmer will deal with her in due course I suspect however Reform will just double down on the "get our country back" narrative and so fuel these riots.

Labour is not the existential threat here ...

What does “in due course” mean and what do you expect from a PM that himself stood up and said there are too many migrants working in the NHS?

You want two-tier outcomes based on who you support and who you don’t. That fascism in action.

What’s the existential threat? Such needless hyperbole, alongside flawed outcomes, exacerbates the situation.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think the Putin-amplified narrative this year is two-tier policing. So any videos that can be linked into this theme will reward their posters with bags of reposts.

If Britain can’t accept the problems it has created without invoking the Putin bogeyman it will never find the solutions.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Stephen

They wouldn't even have gathered or been there if they weren't being attacked or having abuse and violence hurled at them.

Nice try though to make them out to be the bad ones.

Best ignore his industrial grade whataboutery. He's desperate to deflect the blame from the obvious suspects to ones he really wants you to hate.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Best ignore his industrial grade whataboutery. He's desperate to deflect the blame from the obvious suspects to ones he really wants you to hate.

That's fairly obvious and disgraceful in itself.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

What does “in due course” mean and what do you expect from a PM that himself stood up and said there are too many migrants working in the NHS?

You want two-tier outcomes based on two you support and who you don’t. That fascism in action.

What’s the existential threat? Such needless hyperbole, alongside flawed outcomes, exacerbates the situation.

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If Britain can’t accept the problems it has created without invoking the Putin bogeyman it will never find the solutions.

Look, I know you hate Starmer and his Labour Party, I get it, I really do. However if you put Starmer in the same category as Farage then you have really lost the plot, big style.

If you think that Reform is a nice, cosy centre-ground democratic party then good for you. There is probably little I can say to change you views.

Starmer stood up and clearly condemned the riots and the thugs that carried them out. Here is Mr Farage by comparision:

In a second video, Farage challenged Keir Starmer's argument that the violent protests were the fault of the far right, saying it was “a reaction to fear, to discomfort, to unease that is out there shared by tens of millions of people”

Just in case, you are still in doubt: Former counter-terror chief accuses Farage of inciting Southport violence

A former counter-terrorism police chief has accused Nigel Farage of helping incite violence that broke out in Southport after the killing of three children in a knife attack this week.

Farage drew criticism from across the political spectrum for remarks he made in a video on Tuesday in which he questioned “whether the truth is being withheld from us” after the attack on Monday.

Neil Basu – a former senior Scotland Yard officer who was in charge of counter-terrorism from 2018 to 2021 – said there were “real world consequences” when public figures failed to “keep their mouth shut”.

“Nigel Farage is giving the EDL [English Defence League] succour, undermining the police, creating conspiracy theories, and giving a false basis for the attacks on the police,” he said, referring to the far-right, Islamophobic group whose supporters are believed to have been involved in the rioting in Southport.

“Has Nigel Farage condemned the violence? Has he condemned the EDL? Fomenting discord in society is what these people seem to exist for,” Basu added.

Farage said that it was “quite legitimate to ask questions”.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Look, I know you hate Starmer and his Labour Party, I get it, I really do.

Such nonsense statements are unhelpful to wider discourse on the forum.

However if you put Starmer in the same category as Farage then you have really lost the plot, big style.

Did he, or did he not, make statements to the effect of there being too much migration (up to and including migrant workers in the NHS)?

Did one of his MPs, or did she not, identify one of the two IHG Group hotels attacked last night in the House of Commons?

If you are blind to this being the same dog whistle that’s on you, not me. And for fairness Rishi standing on a podium with “stop the boats” written on it is equally as bad.

If you think that Reform is a nice, cosy centre-ground democratic party then good for you. There is probably little I can say to change you views.

Your mind reading skills may perhaps be worse than your political insight.

Starmer stood up and clearly condemned the riots and the thugs that carried them out. Here is Mr Farage by comparision:

Just in case, you are still in doubt: Former counter-terror chief accuses Farage of inciting Southport violence

Mr Farage has indeed condemned the violence.

https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1820347660538204565

In parallel with Starmer he blew the dog whistle now tries to distance himself from it.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The vast majority at the moment are white. The Police have a tricky line to tow - whilst many of us would like to see more people arrested, I appreciate that they need to avoid making matters worse.
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Not in the videos I posted. Can you expand on what you’re saying so I’m clear.


Are you saying police aren’t going to arrest Muslim gangs, in case they make matters worse?

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Nice try though to make them out to be the bad ones.

I said both sides have violent actors and both sides should be treated the same.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think the Putin-amplified narrative this year is two-tier policing.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The vast majority at the moment are white. The Police have a tricky line to tow - whilst many of us would like to see more people arrested, I appreciate that they need to avoid making matters worse.

Damn that pesky Putin

[jfman]

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-riots-...-live-13186819

Policing in the UK having a normal one as the commissioner of the Met damages the microphone of a journalist because he didn’t like the question.

Just as well it wasn’t Moscow, Pyongyang or Tehran otherwise everyone from Amnesty International to Save the Whales would be calling for sanctions until he was removed.

Originally Posted by jfman

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-riots-...-live-13186819

Policing in the UK having a normal one as the commissioner of the Met damages the microphone of a journalist because he didn’t like the question.

Just as well it wasn’t Moscow, Pyongyang or Tehran otherwise everyone from Amnesty International to Save the Whales would be calling for sanctions until he was removed.

To be fair, in those places the journalist would be likely to have an unscheduled appointment with a third storey window rather than just have his mic slapped by an angry old git (who has probably just had a very awkward meeting-without-coffee where he has had to justify himself to politicians who he probably rightly feels don’t understand what it is they’re telling him to do).

Everyone from Amnesty International to Save the Whales most likely understands this.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-riots-...-live-13186819

Policing in the UK having a normal one as the commissioner of the Met damages the microphone of a journalist because he didn’t like the question.

Just as well it wasn’t Moscow, Pyongyang or Tehran otherwise everyone from Amnesty International to Save the Whales would be calling for sanctions until he was removed.

A person who damages someone elses property is a far righ thug according to the PM

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Not in the videos I posted. Can you expand on what you’re saying so I’m clear.

I think many observers would like to see anyone who crosses the line arrested. However, the Police constantly need to balance this with a judgment call as to whether this would escalate matters.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think many observers would like to see anyone who crosses the line arrested. However, the Police constantly need to balance this with a judgment call as to whether this would escalate matters.

As long as one of the judgement calls isn’t based on race. The people of Rotherham have the scars to show for that kind of two-tier policing.

There’s also a risk it rewards the most dangerous, and penalises the idiots trying to steal out of Greggs. Not to diminish casual looting, but it’s a world apart from running round with machetes looking to attack other people in racially aggravated assaults.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think many observers would like to see anyone who crosses the line arrested. However, the Police constantly need to balance this with a judgment call as to whether this would escalate matters.

It won't escalate matters to arrest them.

They should be arrested with others when the police begin going though the videos in earnest and arresting those who avoid it on the day.

[Pierre]

https://x.com/jakeshieldsajj/status/...901836858?s=61

Sky news talking about the white riots as a group of muslims casually walk past with machetes, knives and metal bars.

[ianch99]

The term "two-tier policing" is gaining traction on (social) media seemingly to try and convince the wider population that the nice white gentlemen we see on our news reports are being hard done by and other, equally culpable, miscreants of an alternate ethnic persuasion are getting away with it.

An interesting article on this myth: How myth of two-tier policing helped spread trouble in Southport

Hard-right protesters want to perpetuate the fallacy that the white working classes are treated more harshly than people from diverse backgrounds

So many rabbit holes, so little time ...