Trump’s Troubles

Originally Posted by Stephen

Sorry Mick but nothing corrupt about the recent court case or any up and coming ones.

It was a jury made up of members of the public that the prosecution and defence both had a hand in picking. They found him guilty on all counts. The justice system is there for all it's not been weaponised at all.

As for the Floyd case, his personal issues had no relevance to the fact that he was murdered by the police. No one deserves that.

Rubbish, a convicted felon is a convicted felon, which is what Chris was trying to scoff me with. I did say Floyd didn’t deserve to die, I did say that, if you try to open your eyes.

The court case was corrupt nothing you state, tells me otherwise and it could still be overturned on appeal, which it should because how Alvin Bragg, NY DA Trumped up the charges, that had already fallen outside the statute of limitations and the justice system has been weaponised by the corrupted Dems.

[Stephen]

I don't need to open my eyes, I saw what you posted. The point I was trying to get across was that whether he had commited previous crimes or whether he was just an innocent black guy stopped by police bears no relevance on the outcome. He was murdered as the Police were so heavy handed, similar to what happened here in Scotalnd.

I'd say there is very little chance that all 34 charges would be overturned. Chances are some will still stand and while he will never likely do time over those crimes he committed, he still committed fraud and numerous other acts of criminality. The guy seriously thinks he is above the law and that it doesn't apply to him.

I worry for America should he win in November. But at the same time Biden is clearly not be running the country either.

I'm curious why anyone in the UK cares about Trump at all, he's cleary a bit of a nut job, and America's problem, not ours.
We have an election over here we should all be more concerned about.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Paul

I'm curious why anyone in the UK cares about Trump at all, he's cleary a bit of a nut job, and America's problem, not ours.
We have an election over here we should all be more concerned about.

He could have the potential to destroy the world, if he's had a bad day/hissy fit. So it does affect us.

Originally Posted by Paul

I'm curious why anyone in the UK cares about Trump at all, he's cleary a bit of a nut job, and America's problem, not ours.
We have an election over here we should all be more concerned about.

Given the comments he has already made about encouraging Putin to invade Nato states that don’t spend enough on defence, he is already damaging European security in ways that should concern you. Were he to actually become president, then you’d have a man in the most powerful chair in the world who has openly said how much he admires Putin (presently invading a sovereign country, responsible for the death of half a million of his own people to date, and likely half as many again including Ukrainians) and Xi (now circling Taiwan with an entire navy on a near-weekly basis under the pretence of ‘exercises’).

When you signal that you’re not serious about defending territory, dictators take note and are emboldened to act. That’s exactly why Argentina thought it could get away with it in 1982. It’s why Hitler kept getting away with it until 1939.

Trump is not a statesman, he’s a businessman - a bad one - with a mobster mentality. He admires strongmen and fancies himself as one, so he sucks up to them and doesn’t care who he treads on in order to get what he thinks he deserves. He is also now in serious cognitive decline (the shark speech from Las Vegas is just one recent example of how much difficulty he now has holding a train of thought ). So not only does he neither understand, nor care, how good international statecraft is done, he is mentally erratic and increasingly unpredictable.

[tweetiepooh]

Originally Posted by Mick

The court case was corrupt nothing you state, tells me otherwise and it could still be overturned on appeal, which it should because how Alvin Bragg, NY DA Trumped up the charges, that had already fallen outside the statute of limitations and the justice system has been weaponised by the corrupted Dems.

If the justice system has been so corrupted by one side how do you try someone from the other side for crimes he has committed (allowing that not all charges are also politically motivated)? Do they just get away with things because they can't get a fair trial?


This works both ways, if the system is biased towards the accused so there is an unfair chance of acquittal do the case also get dismissed or the crimes ignored?


We rightly speak out against unjust regimes or systems that use the legal system to persecute or where wealth/position can buy or influence an outcome but is there the same degree of corruption in this case? #


How would the system in the US need to change to prevent "weaponising" the judicial mechanisms? If the judicial system is politically influenced how can you prosecute (or defend) any political figure?

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

If the justice system has been so corrupted by one side how do you try someone from the other side for crimes he has committed (allowing that not all charges are also politically motivated)? Do they just get away with things because they can't get a fair trial?


This works both ways, if the system is biased towards the accused so there is an unfair chance of acquittal do the case also get dismissed or the crimes ignored?


We rightly speak out against unjust regimes or systems that use the legal system to persecute or where wealth/position can buy or influence an outcome but is there the same degree of corruption in this case? #


How would the system in the US need to change to prevent "weaponising" the judicial mechanisms? If the judicial system is politically influenced how can you prosecute (or defend) any political figure?

You’re deploying reason against MAGA cult beliefs. You’re wasting your time. I have no idea whether Mick truly believes any of this or if he just feels obliged to defend the horse he backed so loudly in 2016 but either way, all he is posting here is redneck deep-state conspiracy theories from the darkest corners of Xitter. It is ocean-going, weapons-grade nonsense and there really is no reasoning with it.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

If the justice system has been so corrupted by one side how do you try someone from the other side for crimes he has committed (allowing that not all charges are also politically motivated)? Do they just get away with things because they can't get a fair trial?


This works both ways, if the system is biased towards the accused so there is an unfair chance of acquittal do the case also get dismissed or the crimes ignored?


We rightly speak out against unjust regimes or systems that use the legal system to persecute or where wealth/position can buy or influence an outcome but is there the same degree of corruption in this case? #


How would the system in the US need to change to prevent "weaponising" the judicial mechanisms? If the judicial system is politically influenced how can you prosecute (or defend) any political figure?

If any of that had any bearing on reality then Hunter wouldn't be going through the criminal case that he is. He'd have been let off and it all hushed up. It's neither biased nor weaponised.

Originally Posted by Chris

Given the comments he has already made about encouraging Putin to invade Nato states that don’t spend enough on defence, he is already damaging European security in ways that should concern you. Were he to actually become president, then you’d have a man in the most powerful chair in the world who has openly said how much he admires Putin (presently invading a sovereign country, responsible for the death of half a million of his own people to date, and likely half as many again including Ukrainians) and Xi (now circling Taiwan with an entire navy on a near-weekly basis under the pretence of ‘exercises’).

When you signal that you’re not serious about defending territory, dictators take note and are emboldened to act. That’s exactly why Argentina thought it could get away with it in 1982. It’s why Hitler kept getting away with it until 1939.

Trump is not a statesman, he’s a businessman - a bad one - with a mobster mentality. He admires strongmen and fancies himself as one, so he sucks up to them and doesn’t care who he treads on in order to get what he thinks he deserves. He is also now in serious cognitive decline (the shark speech from Las Vegas is just one recent example of how much difficulty he now has holding a train of thought ). So not only does he neither understand, nor care, how good international statecraft is done, he is mentally erratic and increasingly unpredictable.

Misguided rubbish about NATO, his stance has always been to get other European countries to pay their fair share towards NATO defence, in his mind he doesn’t agree the U.S should defend other countries when they are committed to spending little on their own defence & that point he makes is very valid, if you honestly believe he had enticed Putin to invade a NATO country, then don’t you ever accuse me of drinking the crazy cool-aid conspiracy shite again Chris, so no, his comments don’t worry me at all, there was no wars while he was in office, there’s a multitude under the current sleepy disgrace, residing in his bed, in the WH, whilst the world turns to shit, under his watch.

It’s all white noise, Mick. Seriously. And I wouldn’t be too sure about predicting what’s in Trump’s mind, not with ample video evidence that even Trump doesn’t know what’s in Trump’s mind any longer. The shark clip is just one example out of many recently.

I truly have no idea what your stake is here. I can understand tribal politics within the USA to a certain extent - though I note that no fewer than *40* of the *Republicans* Trump had in his administration during his tenure have now publicly refused to endorse him, including Mike Pence - but why any observer an ocean away is so invested in the campaigns of this criminal, rapey fraudster is a mystery to me.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Misguided rubbish about NATO, his stance has always been to get other European countries to pay their fair share towards NATO defence, in his mind he doesn’t agree the U.S should defend other countries when they are committed to spending little on their own defence & that point he makes is very valid, if you honestly believe he had enticed Putin to invade a NATO country, then don’t you ever accuse me of drinking the crazy cool-aid conspiracy shite again Chris, so no, his comments don’t worry me at all, there was no wars while he was in office, there’s a multitude under the current sleepy disgrace, residing in his bed, in the WH, whilst the world turns to shit, under his watch.

I think Trump has had a positive influence on encouraging Nato countries to increase their expenditure. However, there were plenty of wars taking place when he was in power. eg in 2020, 19,000 were killed in the war in Yemeni and another 19,000 in the war in Afghanistan.

[Stephen]

Trump's statements on NATO and who pays what are very silly, when each country spends an amount using an agreed cost share formula derived from the Gross National Income of member countries. So of course the US will pay more than the UK etc.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Trump's statements on NATO and who pays what are very silly, when each country spends an amount using an agreed cost share formula derived from the Gross National Income of member countries. So of course the US will pay more than the UK etc.

Unusually, he has a point as not all NATO countries are spending the 2% of GDP they have agreed to. These figures come from the 2023 Nato annual report.

Poland 3.92%
United States 3.24%
Greece 3.05%
Estonia 2.89%
Lithuania 2.75%
Finland 2.46%
Latvia 2.37%–
UK 2.28%
Hungary 2.07%
Slovakia 2.05%
Denmark 2.00%
France 1.90%
Bulgaria 1.87%
Norway 1.80%
Croatia 1.75%
Albania 1.72%
North Macedonia 1.70%
Germany 1.66%
Netherlands 1.63%
Romania 1.60%
Turkey 1.58%
Montenegro 1.55%
Czech Republic 1.53%
Portugal 1.48%
Italy 1.47%
Slovenia 1.33%
Canada 1.33%
Spain 1.24%
Belgium 1.21%
Luxembourg 1.01%

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1150530.html

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Stephen

If any of that had any bearing on reality then Hunter wouldn't be going through the criminal case that he is. He'd have been let off and it all hushed up. It's neither biased nor weaponised.

Speaking of which, a verdict has literally been reach less than 5 mins ago

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Speaking of which, a verdict has literally been reach less than 5 mins ago

Yeah, and it’s all a crooked Dem establishment stitch up because oh hang on …